1C's stance on head-tracking devices for BoB?

[MikkOwl]

"The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work."

I don't think there's a case for this being about copyright. Copyright is about 'making copies' rights, not use rights.

Wolf, I think it is 'license' related rather.

[julian265]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

you obviously don't understand copyright then because people can write their own... as long as it doesn't replicate any other which has been written. If freetrack did that... and didn't access anything to do with NP, then no problem
even musicians now, are starting to be sued (and winning) for other musos ripping off a couple of bars from someone else's work (Larrakin Music v's Men At Work)

I probably don't, I've never been interested in legal stuff, but it's good to hear your definition is what I thought it *should* be (as opposed to what I thought it *would* be).

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by MikkOwl

"Dongles", not dangles.


'Hacking into' is no different than interfacing with something. Just because they don't want people to do it does not give them a right to stop people from doing it.

1st point...
"When the argument is lax attack the spelling errors", eh?

2nd point...
you've killed any further credible input you may have had with point 1, but you've further killed off any credible input you may have had with just those two last sentenctes quoted.... It gives them every right to stop someone hacking into their software, whether you like it or not.

Why do you support hacking?

Originally Posted by MikkOwl

"The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work."

I don't think there's a case for this being about copyright. Copyright is about 'making copies' rights, not use rights.

Wolf, I think it is 'license' related rather.

copyright [ kóppi rīt ]


noun (plural copyrights)

Definition:

creative artist's control of original work: the legal right of creative artists or publishers to control the use and reproduction of their original works

http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary...copyright.html


where did your "definition" come from Mikkowl??

[MikkOwl]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

1st point...
"When the argument is lax attack the spelling errors", eh? [..]you've killed any further credible input you may have had with point 1

True if I avoid your best arguments and argue that your spelling somehow affects your arguments (it does not). But I replied to all your points and did not indicate any evil things. I am a grammar nazi and you wrote some humorous things (you said I was analogies! ).

2nd point...
[..] you've further killed off any credible input you may have had with just those two last sentenctes quoted.... It gives them every right to stop someone hacking into their software, whether you like it or not.

Why does it kill off credibility? Arguments stand by their own merit rather than the person making them. I still want to know why the analogies are BS. And why does it give them every right? Hacking isn't evil by definition.

Why do you support hacking?

If we speak of hacking as in cracking software protection or interfacing with software on our computers without express permission of the original creator (instead of hacking into someone's home network and reading things from their private hard drives): I just don't see anything ethically wrong with it. It's like if I buy a car and then interface with the engine computer unit (ECU?) to alter it's behaviour. Sure, they may void my warranty which is reasonable. But to say I can't do that?

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Storm of War 'will' support the latest hardware stuff, as they stated. And they do use TrackIR's with it in the videos we have seen. Being such a big player, I do think they can avoid any kind of bad deals like promising not to let anything else do headtracking than TrackIR. Most likely in the form of the native FreeTrack support.

I think the biggest evidence that IC/Maddox Games' policy is to support not just TrackIR, is that ArmA 2, who did special promotion for TrackIR on youtube now has native support for FreeTrack. They are also a major player and they could do it. Surely our Storm of War can too.

EDIT:

Copyright
creative artist's control of original work: the legal right of creative artists or publishers to control the use and reproduction of their original works
http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary...copyright.html
where did your "definition" come from Mikkowl??

From thefreedictionary.com. I'll look up some others. Wikipedia too.

EDIT 2: The results. I could not find anything different in the wikipedia article than what is stated in the further quotes below

"..the exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit a literary, musical, or artistic work, whether printed, audio, video, etc."
- Dictionary.com Unabridged, Based on the Random House Dictionary

"The legal right granted to an author, composer, playwright, publisher, or distributor to exclusive publication, production, sale, or distribution of a literary, musical, dramatic, or artistic work."
- The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

"A grant of an exclusive right to produce or sell a book, motion picture, work of art, musical composition, software, or similar product during a specified period of time."
- The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition

"The exclusive rights of the owner of the copyright on a work to make and distribute copies, prepare derivative works, and perform and display the work in public"
- The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing

"a person's exclusive right to reproduce, publish, or sell his or her original work of authorship"
- dictionary.com legal entry, featured on numerous websites such as clickandcopyright.com

It is clear that copyright is pertaining to making copies, and profiting from others' works. Common in Asia that companies actually make copies (physical as well as digital) that they sell, exploiting the work of others. Like trying to pass off locally made clothing as expensive brand label clothing, as well as selling DVD movies for profit.

But I think that NaturalPoint might have some support from evil licensing or intellectual property right laws in some countries in this matter.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by MikkOwl

Hacking isn't evil by definition.

If we speak of hacking as in cracking software protection or interfacing with software on our computers without express permission of the original creator (instead of hacking into someone's home network and reading things from their private hard drives): I just don't see anything ethically wrong with it. It's like if I buy a car and then interface with the engine computer unit (ECU?) to alter it's behaviour. Sure, they may void my warranty which is reasonable. But to say I can't do that?


I think the biggest evidence that IC/Maddox Games' policy is to support not just TrackIR, is that ArmA 2, who did special promotion for TrackIR on youtube now has native support for FreeTrack. They are also a major player and they could do it. Surely our Storm of War can too.

EDIT:
From thefreedictionary.com. I'll look up some others. Wikipedia too.

so you support hacking then, eh?

modding your ECU is illegal in some countries and yeah the vehicle manufacturer is flexing its copyright by voiding the warranty

As I said before, if freetrack (or other) support is totally between freetrack and the game/ sim, then there is no problem, except for maybe on the hardware side of things... the problem is where freetrack (or other) takes advantage of NP software or hardware R&D - have you got it now Mikkowl??

and yeah... do keep looking it up, there's a good boy

[MikkOwl]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

so you support hacking then, eh?

People doing what they want with the software they have on their computer, as long as it isn't profiting from others' works, yes. Hacking into other people's computers, into NASA or whatever, no.

the problem is where freetrack (or other) takes advantage of NP software or hardware R&D - have you got it now Mikkowl??

Yes I read that in one of your first posts. My response to this was the analogies showing the same reasoning/rights in other situations, to illustrate how unethical and wrong the reasoning is.

modding your ECU is illegal in some countries and yeah the vehicle manufacturer is flexing its copyright by voiding the warranty

That is not copyright, it is just warranty related. Although I have no idea what those countries use as laws to say that it's illegal. Pollution/safety related maybe.

Bottom line still is that FreeTrack will most likely be supported by Storm of Waaar YEAH!

[Wolf_Rider]

Quite possibly that may be the case Mikkowl, that it (or others) may be supported... and hopefully it will be without infringing any other companies' copyrights, patents (pending or granted) or license agreements


btw, your analogies were still crap

[MikkOwl]

Yes you said they were crap, but why? That's not a convincing argument

I hate it when I get into other topics and find two (or three) people having these long semantics type "you said this" "you haven't replied to that" debates that tend to drift pretty far off topic. So, uh, FreeTrack probably supported in SoW yay. Uh.. mentioned already. (sneaks into other topics).

[Wolf_Rider]

well, so far Mikkowl... you seem to be heavily going into the "you didn't reply to that" mindset.

So to prevent any further hassling from you about it

Not allowing people who don't buy Adidas latest shoes to interface with (play) a basketball game - that they bought, because Adidas is a sponsor of that game.

nobody owns the rights to basketball

Not allowing people who are of asian ethnicity to play a game, because sponsors of that game don't think asians should be allowed to have fun with that game (that they bought) (yes maybe racist, but it's the concept that counts here, not the other details).

games are meant to be, to have fun with, though if you want to hack the game, then that just plain warrants every response they get. Hyperlobby barred a whole country - Brazil - because of hackers.. now that must have been fun for the guys there who just wanted to play through it, eh?

Not allowing someone to go to the bathroom because some 'license' involved in buying a game said so.

A game is need to go to the toot? you need to get out some more

as I said... crap analogies


I'm sorry, but it is idiots like you Mikkowl (your mindset that thinks everyone should be able to do whatever they want with a game/ sim/ hardware, regardless of the developer's/ owner's hard work, that will have games/ hardware forced to an online connection just so people can play and have fun... too bad for those who (for whatever reason) don't have a connection.

[Untamo]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I'm sorry, but it is idiots like you Mikkowl (your mindset that thinks everyone should be able to do whatever they want with a game/ sim/ hardware, regardless of the developer's/ owner's hard work, that will have games/ hardware forced to an online connection just so people can play and have fun... too bad for those who (for whatever reason) don't have a connection.

So, I must be an idiot for being resourceful and thinking that I can use my hardware (webcam and couple of IR leds) to something other than looking silly on a video chat. Hurr durrrr