P-38 Stall Characteristics

[Crumpp]

unrealistic expectations about the performance of the actual aircraft

That is 99% of it.

[julian265]

^ Says someone who has flown IL2 once.

Sure, there's a fair amount of griping by new players about stalling and climbing, but there are plenty of legitimate gripes too. The 109K4 is almost unusable at high altitudes due to lack of elevator effectiveness (or excessive forces required) and the P38 shouldn't be experiencing elevator ineffectiveness below 10kft.

[Crumpp]

^ Says someone who has flown IL2 once.

That is not true. I play your game in SEOW once a week for the past few weeks with one of our museum members.

99% of the gripes I read about stem from unrealistic expectations of the poster. It is not a dig that they have no experience outside of a game and a bookstore, just a fact. They read an anecdote and do not any real frame of reference to apply it. Therefore it becomes a blanket claim for a simplistic one size fits all mental model of how aircraft work.

What is even better is when they do this and are hostile about it! Nothing like hostility and ignorance on the internet to get yourself ignored.

[JG27CaptStubing]

I would say generally speaking most of the guys playing IL2 don't have experience in any of the planes in the game...

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

I would say generally speaking most of the guys playing IL2 don't have experience in any of the planes in the game...

Some of us know that and some others don't

It's true...there are many unrealistic expectations made out of historical propaganda passed down through books and TV shows and the like. We all know them so I won't mention any of them Those turn in to legitimate beliefs and they are sometimes crushed when they meet IL-2 which tried to do reality as best as they could with a 2001 PC (plus some upgrades since then).

The P-38 does have a funny stall sometimes and some FM bugs... it isn't a super aircraft (nothing is)... it is just an aircraft and the game doesn't simulate it perfectly. Improvements would be great for all aircraft but I and many others are realistic about what is possible and hope for more in the future.

[Crumpp]

I would say generally speaking most of the guys playing IL2 don't have experience in any of the planes in the game...

Don't have experience in any airplanes, in the game or otherwise. If they did they would know it is not lift, thrust, or drag that makes an airplane fly. The airplane flies on money.

they meet IL-2 which tried to do reality as best as they could with a 2001 PC (plus some upgrades since then).

For a PC game it is not bad at all. Most importantly, It is fun.

[Aviar]

Here is another real life video concerning the P-38 stall characteristics, basically confirming the first video I posted. You can jump forward to 04:50 (4 minutes, 50 seconds) to see the pilot demonstrate that the P-38 does not 'flip over' in a stall....it simply drops it's nose straight down until the speed increases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVsRK...eature=related

Aviar

[EAF331 Starfire]

Quote:
unrealistic expectations about the performance of the actual aircraft

Originally Posted by Crumpp

That is 99% of it.

Like people complaining about the warwinning P-51's turnrate

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by EAF331 Starfire

Like people complaining about the warwinning P-51's turnrate

The P-51 was not a "war-winner", the war was already won when it came into use in any numbers at the beginning of 1944. By this time the large part of the Luftwaffe's aircraft and best pilots were gone, not to mention that Germany was a small country with very limited resources and never had anywhere near the number of aircraft that the allies had.

The P-51 did well when it finally did get to the war because of these factors, and because it was supported by a wingman and it's squadron. A lone pilot in a P-51 did not fly over the channel and start shooting down "Gerries" right and left.

Chuck Yeager said in his book that pilot with the most experience will always win, no matter what they were flying, and by 1944 Germany was out of experience pilots....

Thinking the P-51 was a war-winner is Fanboy talk...

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

It was nethertheless a plane with very good performance for its time and - much more important - able to escort the bomber formations to their target and back.