Hurricane V LA-7 (for MorgothNL)

[Ancient Seraph]

Lol. We'll set a time sometime. What timezone are you on? We're at GMT+1. I'll be available tomorrow night I guess.

[FOZ_1983]

GMT here, as is robotic pope. So were all within an hour of each other. We'll play. We know its a one horse race and the hurricane will get slaughtered, which is fine because its what we expect.

As long as we have some fun along the way and learn a few new things etc then it will be worth it.

Was amazed when comparing them earlier though. The LA-7 is incredible!! so much better in nearly every catagory. I like it.

Though what is odd it the top speed of the hurricane. It shouldnt be that low for a Mk2.


It should have a maximum top speed of roughly 300MPH, not the poor 268MPH (call it 270). That 30MPH less than its capable of, which might seem like nothing but in fact it makes alot of difference.

Ah well, beggars cant be choosers. Would be nice to have the extra MPH but its still a nice plane to fly regardless.

[Swagger7]

I'm not surprised at the differences. There's an entire war's worth of innovation between the two.

[Soviet Ace]

I suggest if you want a Soviet aircraft, that is early enough and capable enough to dogfight the Hurricane, in a fairly even battle.... Yak-1b. Both are early, and the Yak-1b though a bit under gunned than the Hurricane. It's roll and turning etc. should give the Hurricane a good fight.

And like Swagger said, there's a whole war between the Hurricane and La-7. So it's not very surprising between the two. Try the Yak-1b against the Hurricane, and see what you get. I'd be interested to see as well.

[Panzergranate]

I looked it up..... top spped of a Hurricane is 325 MPH.

Top speed of a Spitfire Mk.II. is 357 MPH.

Top speed of a Bf-109 E is 383 MPH.

The HUrricane has 0.303" (7.62mm.) medium machine guns, not 0.50" (12.7mm.) heavy machine guns

The Hurricane has armour protecting the pilot and fuel tanks.

The La-7 carries no armour protection.

I'd bet on the Hurricane.

The Yak also has no armour protection and is made of plywood and bicycle spokes.

The Hurricane has the advantage of being designed by an Englishman (Sidney Camm) and being British made.

My money's still on the Hurricane.

If we're also talking of a Finnish pilot in the Hurricane versus a Russian pilot in a La-7 / Yak well......

I'd bet the house on the Hurricane.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

I looked it up..... top spped of a Hurricane is 325 MPH.

Top speed of a Spitfire Mk.II. is 357 MPH.

Top speed of a Bf-109 E is 383 MPH.

The HUrricane has 0.303" (7.62mm.) medium machine guns, not 0.50" (12.7mm.) heavy machine guns

The Hurricane has armour protecting the pilot and fuel tanks.

The La-7 carries no armour protection.

I'd bet on the Hurricane.

The Yak also has no armour protection and is made of plywood and bicycle spokes.

The Hurricane has the advantage of being designed by an Englishman (Sidney Camm) and being British made.

My money's still on the Hurricane.

If we're also talking of a Finnish pilot in the Hurricane versus a Russian pilot in a La-7 / Yak well......

I'd bet the house on the Hurricane.

Both Russian and Finnish forces flew Hurricanes. That would be something to see. A Hurricane in Finnish markings, and another Hurricane in Soviet markings. All that would stand in the way of the dogfight, is the skill of a pilot.

Also, considering the Yaks and La's didn't have armoring. It gives them the better advantage of getting on the Hurricanes tail because they are lighter, and also have a better roll rate (thanks to not having weapons in the wings, which slows a roll considerably.) So of course my money would be on the Yak/La

EDIT: Also, the Yak-1b was 25 miles faster than the Hurricane. And I know I usually say speed isn't everything. But in this case, with the Yak being so under gunned by the Hurricane. It's an exception I'm willing to give.

[Panzergranate]

The La-7 was the only Soviet all metal fighter and so wasn't the "one hit wonder" like the La-5.

The resin impregnated wings on Soviet aircraft with this building technique did have the well documented ability of shattering and splintering when taking even a single hit from a cannon shell.

I know that the Soviet pilots prized and apreciated the Hurricane and the P-40, though I'm not sure if they saw the joke with the next to useless P-39.

The recently recovered Finnish Buffalo, that was pulled out of a lake, BW-372 (actually appears in IL-2 Forgotten Battles as number 5) was involved in an airbattle with two Hurricanes and a single Mig-3 in a 3 onto 1 action.

The Buffalo out turned and downed both Hurricanes but suffered a fatal belly hit from the MIg-3 as it finished off the second Hurricane and this caused a fire.

The Finnish pilot out dived the Mig-3 and belly landed on a frozen lake, jumped out of the Buffalo and watched it immediately sink through the ice.

In 2004 the aircraft was recovered from the lake and has travelled to the US and back to Finland as work continues to restore it to flying condition.

There are still a lot of wrecks lost out in that area, as there are around Russia, just waiting to be found.

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

The La-7 was the only Soviet all metal fighter and so wasn't the "one hit wonder" like the La-5.

The resin impregnated wings on Soviet aircraft with this building technique did have the well documented ability of shattering and splintering when taking even a single hit from a cannon shell.

I know that the Soviet pilots prized and apreciated the Hurricane and the P-40, though I'm not sure if they saw the joke with the next to useless P-39.

The recently recovered Finnish Buffalo, that was pulled out of a lake, BW-372 (actually appears in IL-2 Forgotten Battles as number 5) was involved in an airbattle with two Hurricanes and a single Mig-3 in a 3 onto 1 action.

The Buffalo out turned and downed both Hurricanes but suffered a fatal belly hit from the MIg-3 as it finished off the second Hurricane and this caused a fire.

The Finnish pilot out dived the Mig-3 and belly landed on a frozen lake, jumped out of the Buffalo and watched it immediately sink through the ice.

In 2004 the aircraft was recovered from the lake and has travelled to the US and back to Finland as work continues to restore it to flying condition.

There are still a lot of wrecks lost out in that area, as there are around Russia, just waiting to be found.

Maybe you've heard of Lake Ladoga? That's FULL of downed MiGs as well as Finish and German planes. I believe they've actually retrieved several MiGs and some later Soviet fighters from it. Not sure on whether they restored them or not. Probably did, but not to flying condition.