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10-20-2009, 12:38 PM
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It looked very nice on the first glance, but the stick is non-movable: It's force-sensitive.
But even with the F-16 designers noticed that pilots wanted moving sticks to have a feeling of what input they give to the controls, so I can't understand why you make a fixed stick for homeusers as a general design.  Thrustmaster is also releasing a new stick - it's a replique of the A-10 HOTAS. That's basically all info available, not even if it's designed after A-10A or A-10C, but it definitely sounds more promising than the X65f 
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10-20-2009, 01:05 PM
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We only need a good throttle to put it next to our CH Fighterstick
 A CH throttle with rotaries 
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10-20-2009, 01:19 PM
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Maybe CH will pull even and release a new throttle as well?
 Thrustmaster will have an easy job, though. If they modell the HOTAS after the A-10C, they can keep the Cougar's stick and modify the old twin-throttle 
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10-20-2009, 01:59 PM
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I couldn't understand AT ALL how this force sensing system works.
Anyone here can name some aircraft that have this? If by "modern" they mean the F-35 and F-22, maybe they're right. Something I didn't liked: the design. Will Saitek ever release something that actually looks like a real aircraft's stick? Going a bit offtopic, if anyone ever releases a joystick replicating any MiG or Sukhoi stick, I would buy it. After a quick but exciting ride on the Su-30 simulator, I just loved that joystick. It takes a short while to get used to it, but after that, I fell in love with it !It has only everything on it. For those who don't have any idea about what I'm talking about, check this pic: http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/4...cockpitrq7.jpg And one big positive point (for me at least) on most Russian sticks: trim on the joystick. No rotaries or anything like that. It's much more practical (and improves your response) to set it with your thumb. You make it much quicker than when you have to use any rotary or something like that. You don't have to get your hands out of the throttle or the stick, just move the thumb and it's done.
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10-20-2009, 02:24 PM
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The F-16C had such a rigid stick. It didn't move at all.
Funny enough when the Thrustmaster Cougar was released a lot of people ranted the stick moved, while the original was static and you can indeed buy a mod which replaces the gimbals with a system that only senses the forces on the stick, but renders the stick itself immobile. Realistic for the F-16, but there are only a handful of planes using this method. As posted above, the pilots didn't like it for the little feel.
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#6
10-20-2009, 03:26 PM
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My CH Fighterstick has a heft and feel of a quality product. It is like flying a Boeing 727 after flying prop planes. There is just a smoothness about it that reminds you of flying quality aircraft.
Yeah, I know it has that bump kinda thing on the diagonal crossover, but you don't notice when you're using it. I now have a hotas that is pretty awesome. Finally, got enough $ together to own.. Fighterstick, Prothrottle,propedals and an MFP. My old stick, MSFT FF2, has been acclaimed over an over as the best stick. It cannot be compared to the Fighterstick. FS has no twist rudder handle or ForceFeedback. I don't miss the Forcefeedback a bit, because the stick has an excellent feel once you get it configured well. I think it might be worth noting. The single sticks and hyped hotas things available now are probably a reasonable approach to virtual flying. IF you fly the hud, or basically aren't really into virtual flying that much... just shooting at stuff. I read and re-read all the information and reviews on hotas arrangements over the years, and piece by piece I finally got it all. I don't even regret my decisions and that's good because my six month old Razer keyboard from MSFT now has about 10 unreadable letters on the keyboard. The stupid keys are white and painted with black to leave out the letters on the white keys for the lights to shine through. It is less than a year old. Thank you very much, but with the quality of Chproducts I don't even regret my purchases. Then of course I don't have all the tricked out lights and little screeny things to rejuventate me either. Last edited by nearmiss; 10-20-2009 at 06:09 PM.
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10-20-2009, 06:09 PM
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The stick doesn't move at all?! Who was the drunken son of a ***** who had this idea?
I just can't imagine myself pushing the joystick and seeing that... well, it isn't really moving. But a question here: how much does it costs, anyway?
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10-20-2009, 07:25 PM
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10-20-2009, 07:31 PM
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10-20-2009, 07:54 PM
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Saitek even made some surveys to find out what simulation fans were looking for - I honestly doubt the community demanded a force-sensitive stick in favour of e.g. a force-feedback stick. Well, no matter why they copied the mistake, from the customers and simulation-fans point of view, I'm glad the simulation genre get's so much attention again, that all main joystick-manufacturers developed new HOTAS. I hope CH will pull even - hopefully with a twin-throttle and some rotaries
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