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IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey Famous title comes to consoles.

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Old 10-06-2009, 02:58 PM
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That would be cool if you could adjust that. As I understand, pilots were allowed a little leeway for personal taste when their planes guns were tuned.
I don't know about the historical fact but the '90s series 'Piece of Cake' seemed to imply that, in the RAF at least, the convergence was something like 750 yards at the outset of war but that the savvy pilots would get their crews to set it much closer.

I rewatched that series recently. It's highly recommended if you haven't seen it!
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Old 10-06-2009, 03:01 PM
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750 yards seem far.. especially in RL. In Sim I tend to shoot from quite close, way closer than 750 yards.. It's too bad you can't adjust it like in the pc game. It makes a lot of difference per game mode.
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Old 10-06-2009, 03:06 PM
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750 yards seem far.. especially in RL.
That's definitely the implication in the series. An American pilot who'd previously fought in the Spanish civil war ignores the RAF guidelines and gets his crew to retune the guns.

The fact that he's depicted as highly irreverent and is despised by the very, very English CO is possibly unsurprising given that it was a british series. It's very, very good though.
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Old 10-06-2009, 03:17 PM
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I don't know about the historical fact but the '90s series 'Piece of Cake' seemed to imply that, in the RAF at least, the convergence was something like 750 yards at the outset of war but that the savvy pilots would get their crews to set it much closer.

I rewatched that series recently. It's highly recommended if you haven't seen it!
IIRC fighter tactics at the outbreak of the war were large formation wing efforts with weapons tuned to around 800-1200 yards (depending on armament). Combat pilots realised quickly that this was a foolhardy setup, and most flights implemented a buddy system (wingman) with weapons retuned to very close range (300-400 yards). THis was so pilots could get in close, fire off a single burst and disengage. Hurricane pilots were most noted for this, as the gunners on German aircraft were deadly and no hurri pilot wanted to hang around trying to "aim" at longer ranges.
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Old 10-06-2009, 03:20 PM
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IIRC fighter tactics at the outbreak of the war were large formation wing efforts with weapons tuned to around 800-1200 yards (depending on armament). Combat pilots realised quickly that this was a foolhardy setup, and most flights implemented a buddy system (wingman) with weapons retuned to very close range (300-400 yards). THis was so pilots could get in close, fire off a single burst and disengage. Hurricane pilots were most noted for this, as the gunners on German aircraft were deadly and no hurri pilot wanted to hang around trying to "aim" at longer ranges.
Thank you, knowledgeable sir!
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:56 PM
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wrong thread....sorry
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Old 10-28-2009, 03:24 AM
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anyone have problems scoring hits with La-5 / La-7 as compared to the 109 series? It feels and looks different, almost like the convergence is off.

Both models should have 2 × 20 mm ShVAK cannons.. which were solid from everything I can gather.

Almost seems like the muzzle velocity on the rounds is very low or something. I can never get the lead right after flying other planes.
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Old 10-28-2009, 05:01 AM
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anyone have problems scoring hits with La-5 / La-7 as compared to the 109 series? It feels and looks different, almost like the convergence is off.

Both models should have 2 × 20 mm ShVAK cannons.. which were solid from everything I can gather.

Almost seems like the muzzle velocity on the rounds is very low or something. I can never get the lead right after flying other planes.
I'm a bit confused at your question? Are you asking, that the La-5FN and La-7 have a different firing convergence than the 109s? Because if so, then yes they are different.

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Are you asking the difference between the La-5FN and La-7 20mm ShVAK cannons?

Sorry if it seems dumb. I'm just really tired, and just got back home.
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:20 PM
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anyone have problems scoring hits with La-5 / La-7 as compared to the 109 series? It feels and looks different, almost like the convergence is off.

Both models should have 2 × 20 mm ShVAK cannons.. which were solid from everything I can gather.

Almost seems like the muzzle velocity on the rounds is very low or something. I can never get the lead right after flying other planes.
Most 109s (aside from the E-3 and G-6 with underwing cannon gondolas) don't actually have convergence as their weapons are mounted on the engine cowling and in the spinner. Due to that they are the most accurate gun platforms in the game. I'm not an expert on the 20mm ShVAK cannons, but all cannons have significantly lower muzzle velocities and rates of fire than 7.62 or 12.5mm ammunition, so yeah, you're gonna get some significant drop going on.
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