Ok Im convinced: The IL-2 is WAY too over spec.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

Perhaps you misred my opening post? Im talking about the IL-2 NOT the IL-10. I am talking about the INVINCIBLE rear gunner on a plane that had NO protection for the rear gunner. You dont believe me...Look it up. And lay off the Kool Aid.

So? All the IL's are the same to me, damn easy to kill when you use your noodle. I have played plenty of games against players who use the various IL's available. I had a real good game Friday vs 2 IL2/ 1 IL10, with me in the Spit, a friendly in a 109 and the 3rd player in a Hurricane. We won the round with ease, because we didnt get target fixation, attacked each target from multiple angles, and used our brains.

Frankly your manner suggests one of someone who got spanked by a good pilot in a IL2 and you cant take it. Plus wtf are you doing trying to kill the rear gunner? Its 10x harder to kill the pilot/gunner than it is to attack and destroy the aircrafts wings or even its engines.

And I dont need nor want any kind of "cool aid". And to be honest those kinds of moronic internet meme's dont even make me bat an eyelid since Im from the UK and I really dont care.

[gbtstr]

You're from the UK? I'd never have guessed.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by gbtstr

You're from the UK? I'd never have guessed.

Was it the Spitfire picture, or was it my well reasoned and contructed argument that gave it away ? lol

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

Was it the Spitfire picture, or was it my well reasoned and contructed argument that gave it away ? lol

So just because your from the UK, your opinions are superior to everyone elses? Shows a lot about your character.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

So just because your from the UK, your opinions are superior to everyone elses? Shows a lot about your character.

You sir need to take some stress management classes and get a sense of humour. It was a JOKE, thats why I laughed at the end.

PS; Personal attacks wont get you very far, as you have simply confused me with someone who gives a ****.

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

You sir need to take some stress management classes and get a sense of humour. It was a JOKE, thats why I laughed at the end.

I asked you a simple question. I am not stressed at all. I have provided sources to back my point and all you have provided is a little anecdote from your personal battles on this game.

I have every right to discuss faults in the game with the hope that they may be one day corrected. If you bothered to read all of the posts you would see that I am not the only person with this trouble.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by mattmanB182

I asked you a simple question. I am not stressed at all. I have provided sources to back my point and all you have provided is a little anecdote from your personal battles on this game.

I have every right to discuss faults in the game with the hope that they may be one day corrected. If you bothered to read all of the posts you would see that I am not the only person with this trouble.

You did not ask a simple question, you made a personal attack on my character because I made a quip. I have no problems with your intention of discussing aspects of the game.

All you have done is make a point about the real aircraft not having any rear gunner armouring. How is this actually relevant to your point that the aircraft is OP in BoP? Your stating that because someone you played was winning in the IL2 that somehow it was to good? Or that because in RL rear gunners had the life expectancy of a mayfly that in the game, the aircraft should stop shooting you?

You have done nothing yourself other than provide anecdotal evidence of an issue with the aircraft. And my point is that I find it completely contrary to what you describe. The simple fact is that no matter how good you are your not the best, neither am I. You simply got outplayed by a better gamer, pure and simple yet refuse to accept it and move on, and instead blame the aircraft for your failure.

[mattmanB182]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

You sir need to take some stress management classes and get a sense of humour. It was a JOKE, thats why I laughed at the end.

PS; Personal attacks wont get you very far, as you have simply confused me with someone who gives a ****.

You speak of personal attacks? Didnt you call me....a meme? I have not called you anything nor attacked you. If me asking you to clarify a statement that turned out to be a joke was a personal attack, then I suggest you get over your paranoia. And yourself for that matter.

As I said before I have proven my point with links to articles.

[mattmanB182]

It actually says, in the link I posted earlier, that the thickest part of the armor could only withstand DEFLECTING blows from a larger round, not DIRECT impact.

Wouldnt my 109's 20mm be considered large?

Perhaps you are a darn good pilot who knows the perfect angle to take planes out....most are average. It is very tough for the average pilot to take these things out.

And FYI, one of my team mates attacked from the side in his Spit while I came from the rear. IL-2 Did not go down in that sequence.

Just because YOU can take them down with regularity doesnt mean they are not over spec. It is a known fact that they were vulnerable to attack from fighters.