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[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

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Antons losing all 3 control axis from a single shot even with pushrod accuated control surfaces.

No problem, we will replace it with PK.

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Antons non self-sealing fuel leaks or what I call a fuel leak bug which empties the plane in a matter of minutes.

I don't see a problem there, FW have self sealing tanks which stops some fuel leaks just like in any other plane with self sealing tanks. Completely realistic IMO.

FC

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Lets hope your not doing FM & DM just AI on your team then.

+1

[rakinroll]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

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Lets hope your not doing FM & DM just AI on your team then.

Amen!

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

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Antons losing all 3 control axis from a single shot even with pushrod accuated control surfaces.

No problem, we will replace it with PK.

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Antons non self-sealing fuel leaks or what I call a fuel leak bug which empties the plane in a matter of minutes.

I don't see a problem there, FW have self sealing tanks which stops some fuel leaks just like in any other plane with self sealing tanks. Completely realistic IMO.

FC

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Lets hope your not doing FM & DM just AI on your team then.

Sorry to disappoint you.
FC's comments although harsh, are spot on from what I've seen.

@all
Please, when you would like to make a suggestion or ask for a fix, add some documentation. It is impossible for us to follow every discussion in all forums.
Il2 world is 'object rich' with all the benefits and problems this 'richness' brings. You can use Daidalos Team e-mail to do that (we would also prefer comprehensible subject title).
I need to state that we can't add/fix everything. Some things will take precedence over the others based on complexity of the issue, new quality this issue can bring into the sim, available time and personal preference.

Now, I would like to add some comments of my own about accuracy issue raised by JG27CaptStubing.
I haven't investigated all the possibilities and some of it comes from my bad memory.
Each gun type is represented by it's own class. In each of them there is just a type of bullet(s) (weight, initial velocity, explosive power if any, RoF, visual effects, etc). IIRC, trajectory of all these is calculated in one (1) piece of code for all guns without discrimination towards 0.50s or any other gun. From this point of view, I find it very hard to believe that 0.50 have accuracy problems.
Proper testing environment to prove that there is an accuracy problem might be difficult to achieve. I don't think that it is possible to compare different guns in combat due to different bullet characteristics, the fact that different planes require different firing solutions, etc.
For example (disclaimer: I fly like a brick) when I fly FW190s I prefer to take larger lead and let the target fly through the bullet stream (that doesn't happen as frequently as I would like to). There is plenty of ammo in those birds and I try to use B&Z (badly). As a result, my hit rate with FW190s is smaller than with, say Bf109s. Therefore, I'm inclined to believe that online statistics is not the proper testing environment.

So, is there a problem with bullet trajectories of 0.50s in Il2 that you can document? Is there a problem with planes or their flying characteristics with this armament that would lead to accuracy problems (I think you mentioned some wobbling)?

[ramstein]

Does this mean, the P51 balance from the center, behind the seat fuel tank, can be corrected by having the center (fuselage) fuel tank drain first? The plane is horribly out of balance. It flies like crap until somone cares to fix this problem. Over the years everyone else refused to fix it.

Along with crappy guns that need corrected. They don't have the punch they should.

The P47 roll rate is one more problem that needs fixed, it needs to roll faster as it did in real life.

Those are the two most important items for most of the pilots for American planes.

If there is going to be work done, can we asked these items please be addressed?

is this true more work wil be done on IL-2?

Or are late comers asking for the things that data was supplied for for many years, yet Olegs team never fixed.. all of the data was supplied over these past years...

thanx..

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by MicroWave

Sorry to disappoint you.
FC's comments although harsh, are spot on from what I've seen.)

Please elaborate. In what way?

You can just sit there an ignore it all you want but anyone who has flown the Anton series over the years can tell you first hand it has a fuel leak bug. It's your choice if you want to investigate it. I could care less about the lack of professionalism.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

@all
Please, when you would like to make a suggestion or ask for a fix, add some documentation. It is impossible for us to follow every discussion in all forums.
Il2 world is 'object rich' with all the benefits and problems this 'richness' brings. You can use Daidalos Team e-mail to do that (we would also prefer comprehensible subject title).
I need to state that we can't add/fix everything. Some things will take precedence over the others based on complexity of the issue, new quality this issue can bring into the sim, available time and personal preference..)

Clearly you have your own agenda.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

@Now, I would like to add some comments of my own about accuracy issue raised by JG27CaptStubing.
I haven't investigated all the possibilities and some of it comes from my bad memory.
Each gun type is represented by it's own class. In each of them there is just a type of bullet(s) (weight, initial velocity, explosive power if any, RoF, visual effects, etc). IIRC, trajectory of all these is calculated in one (1) piece of code for all guns without discrimination towards 0.50s or any other gun. From this point of view, I find it very hard to believe that 0.50 have accuracy problems.
Proper testing environment to prove that there is an accuracy problem might be difficult to achieve. I don't think that it is possible to compare different guns in combat due to different bullet characteristics, the fact that different planes require different firing solutions, etc...)

Testing aye?

Here is an old 35 page thread on Ubi that talks about the tests and some of the findings. It was ignored as usual.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t.../979109092/p/1

Gibbage did quite a bit of testing and it does show out of all the guns the 50s have had an issue with dispersion. It's still present today.

It's one of many threads brought up about the 50 cal.

[csThor]

Now, Capt, there is no need to go the "sour grapes" way already. You're obviously passionate about the P-38 and everything pertaining to it, but that doesn't mean DT has to and is going to jump just at your request. You see there are thousands of people with thousands of ideas what can and should be corrected in which way - which translates into thousands of folks pulling DT's attention into thousands of directions. And we @ DT are damned already because we can't please them all. Does that mean we're ignorant or that we don't care about accuracy? No, most certainly not.

I, for example, am glad that I can't code worth a damn so I do not envy the FM and coding guys one bit.

[Arrow]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

Please elaborate. In what way?

You can just sit there an ignore it all you want but anyone who has flown the Anton series over the years can tell you first hand it has a fuel leak bug. It's your choice if you want to investigate it. I could care less about the lack of professionalism.





Clearly you have your own agenda.




Testing aye?

Here is an old 35 page thread on Ubi that talks about the tests and some of the findings. It was ignored as usual.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t.../979109092/p/1

Gibbage did quite a bit of testing and it does show out of all the guns the 50s have had an issue with dispersion. It's still present today.

It's one of many threads brought up about the 50 cal.

And now what - Oleg listened to threads complaining about .50 cals (aka .50s are porked), at first people complained that dispersion was too much and wanted to remove the shotgun effect, now I've seen threads where people (like you) complain that there is no shotgun effect with .50 cals and now they are less accurate and have less hit rate. So what do you want now? Daidalos team will change dispersion of .50 cals to higher level and people will start to complain that they have not enough hitting power, in next patch lower the dispersion and people will complain they are not accurate and again again changing things just because you think that it should be changed based on your experience and hit percentage. This is no criteria of changing things in this game. DT has to take a side in this and there will always be people not happy with current state. If you want a change, do some serious testing and please make a new thread and don't make 36 pages .50 cals flamewar thread out of DT ready room.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by FC99

This is new one for me, what is wrong with accuracy?

Does this really need an explanation? Nothing new. This all started with syncronizing the 50s then desyncing the 50s and their hitting power. Very well covered territory.

The current six wing mounted 50s have an accuracy problem. Look on any active server and look at the hit rates for planes that have them and you will see an over all trend that can't be ignored.

Originally Posted by FC99

There are almost 300 planes in game it is not surprising that some problems are not solved. Best way to get issues fixed is to collect reference material, make in game tests and politely ask for fix.

That's why at the beginning of this thread I mentioned it would be nice not to keep reintroducing new aircraft and fix some of the problems with the current set.

Originally Posted by FC99

I don't see a problem there, FW have self sealing tanks which stops some fuel leaks just like in any other plane with self sealing tanks. Completely realistic IMO.

Then make it across all the planes with self sealing tanks. The Anton series is the only plane out of the entire 300 plane series that has this particular problem.

I will ignore your comment about replacing 3 Axis damange with a PK.

Can we get a real G6AS the one with high Alt Peformance?

[LesniHU]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

Antons losing all 3 control axis from a single shot even with pushrod accuated control surfaces. Antons non self-sealing fuel leaks or what I call a fuel leak bug which empties the plane in a matter of minutes.

Spitfire can lose all controls with one hit too. No surprise for me, why couldn't one hit through cockpit area do this.
Fuel leak: I never had feeling it leaked faster than other fighters. Certainly there is nothing nonstandard in DM, selfsealing is same as other planes have and works.

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

Does this really need an explanation? Nothing new. This all started with syncronizing the 50s then desyncing the 50s and their hitting power. Very well covered territory.

The current six wing mounted 50s have an accuracy problem. Look on any active server and look at the hit rates for planes that have them and you will see an over all trend that can't be ignored.

Irrelevant. I'm sure that if you look at Stuka BK3.7's antiair hit rates, you will find them really low. Does it mean we should improve them?

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by LesniHU

Spitfire can lose all controls with one hit too. No surprise for me, why couldn't one hit through cockpit area do this.
Fuel leak: I never had feeling it leaked faster than other fighters. Certainly there is nothing nonstandard in DM, selfsealing is same as other planes have and works.

So what you're telling me is there is one critical spot on plane where all the controls can be knocked out? I would like to see your diagram that supports this theory especially one planes that had built in Redundancy. Shooting out the right Aileron doesn't mean the left one doesn't work any more. The FWs used PushRods not cables.

Let me be clear about the Anton fuel leak... It doesn't leak any faster than any other plane... The leak will not seal and the plane will run out of fuel. No other plane suffers from this problem. If there is I haven't run across it in the 8 years I've been flying this sim.

Originally Posted by LesniHU

Irrelevant. I'm sure that if you look at Stuka BK3.7's antiair hit rates, you will find them really low. Does it mean we should improve them?

It's very relavant because 50s are Inherently accurate. It also sounds as if you never experience the earlier problems with the 50cals. Syncing and finally getting desynced weapons in 4.08. Do you remember the Wobbles or are you just forgetting that part?

Actually you need to do some research before making statments about the BK3.7s accuracy. Oberstleutant Hans-Ulrich Rudel is a guy who comes to mind. Your just using this excuse to obfuscate the subject.