I'm surprised the jets are not used more

[Ancient Seraph]

I gotta agree with Lexandro, AC is arcade. Not as bad as HAWX, but it's not like IL2, where it's obvious you need skill. Doesn't mean I don't love it though . Although the achievements and unlocks are very timeconsuming .

[mattd27]

It's well known that AC is arcade, but it's arcade done the right way. It's playable without being too over the top (like hawx can be).

[Dubbedinenglish]

Originally Posted by mattd27

It's well known that AC is arcade, but it's arcade done the right way. It's playable without being too over the top (like hawx can be).

The main difference is Ace Combat still makes it fun to just fly the planes. All of their flaps, the way the missles fall from plane before igniting ( Phoenix missles on the F-14).... Project Aces just knows how to emulate the joy of flight and the little details in the aircraft. It also helps the can craft an amazing story to go with it (save the horrid storyline in 6). AC4, AC5 are still the genre defining games when it comes to console jet games.

HAWX just completely ruined any fun in flying along with a sense of speed.

[akuma]

Originally Posted by Gazz6666

Tbh though, if you wanted to fly jets over props, you should really be playing Tom Clancy's HAWX

Thats abit of a bold and narrow minded statement.

These jets existed in WW2, so are legit in game.

Can you imagine if our pilots back in the day spat there dummy out and said I'm not playing this game anymore because they are using jets?

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by akuma

These jets existed in WW2, so are legit in game.

Can you imagine if our pilots back in the day spat there dummy out and said I'm not playing this game anymore because they are using jets?

This is, as I stated in another thread, a void argument. As you've correctly stated, IL2 is a game, and games need to be balanced in order to be fun to play. If a game is unbalanced, how realistic or historically correct it may be, the fun quickly ends.

[dazz1971]

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

This is, as I stated in another thread, a void argument. As you've correctly stated, IL2 is a game, and games need to be balanced in order to be fun to play. If a game is unbalanced, how realistic or historically correct it may be, the fun quickly ends.

yes its a game but its a flight sim and flight sim games are unique in the fact that what relates to flying/combat in real life is equally related to the flight sim world ie: many ppl use real life tatics acrobatics in flights sims etc

i think its a case of some ppl dont know how to combat the jets so just start crying unfair its make the game unbalanced etc

funny thou you dont see many threads crying stop using b17s its unfair they are not balancing the game etc....
yet if you play a game of strike and the other team has b17 its pretty much game over before you start

[Gazz6666]

Originally Posted by akuma

Thats abit of a bold and narrow minded statement.

These jets existed in WW2, so are legit in game.

Can you imagine if our pilots back in the day spat there dummy out and said I'm not playing this game anymore because they are using jets?

I didn't say they weren't legit, I said that if you prefer flying jets instead of props then perhaps you should be playing HAWX or AC6. I personally agree with Seraph, the jets mean other people have to use jets, and then you might as well be playing HAWX or AC.

By the way, did you know that the Me-262 is also a submarine?

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Gazz6666

I didn't say they weren't legit, I said that if you prefer flying jets instead of props then perhaps you should be playing HAWX or AC6. I personally agree with Seraph, the jets mean other people have to use jets, and then you might as well be playing HAWX or AC.

By the way, did you know that the Me-262 is also a submarine?

There is a hugh difference between the WWII jets and modern day jets though. Just because you like like flying the Me262 doesn't automaticaly mean that you want to be pulling 9g's in a turn or firing missiles at planes that you can't even see.

If someoone wants to use a jet and Boom'n'Zoom people thats fine by me. You should be able to play a game however you like as long as it isn't cheating other people. And if you are host you can always limit the date to avoid the jets in the first place.

[Gazz6666]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

There is a hugh difference between the WWII jets and modern day jets though. Just because you like like flying the Me262 doesn't automaticaly mean that you want to be pulling 9g's in a turn or firing missiles at planes that you can't even see.

If someoone wants to use a jet and Boom'n'Zoom people thats fine by me. You should be able to play a game however you like as long as it isn't cheating other people. And if you are host you can always limit the date to avoid the jets in the first place.

Yes, I fully understand that there is a huge difference between those jets and modern ones, and personally I have no problem with people using them in multiplayer.

The problem I have is that if one person uses a jet, it generally means someone else needs a jet to counter them, and eventually everyone is flying jets and the fun is lost.

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by dazz1971

funny thou you dont see many threads crying stop using b17s its unfair they are not balancing the game etc....
yet if you play a game of strike and the other team has b17 its pretty much game over before you start

I think it's a case of some people not knowing how to combat the B17's so just start crying unfair, it makes the game unbalanced, etc.
The main difference between jets and a B17 is that a B17 actually isn't that hard to take down. Especially with a 109 G-6 it's far from impossible. In Strike, it's not just about taking a bomber and flying to the other side, but also making sure the other team doesn't reach your targets. If someone flies a B17 it takes a while before it reaches it's target, enough time to take him down. If someone flies an Arado it's impossible with a piston, and hard even with a jet because of the short time it takes for the Arado to reach the target.

Originally Posted by dazz1971

yes its a game but its a flight sim and flight sim games are unique in the fact that what relates to flying/combat in real life is equally related to the flight sim world ie: many ppl use real life tatics acrobatics in flights sims etc

As soon as there's competitive playing involved, I believe game balance superceeds historical accuracy. I'm not saying flight models should be altered for the sake of balance, but at least keep to planes that can be divided in the same performance category.

Pope's G-comment made me think though, I wonder what's gonna happen with jet pilots when blackouts are re-introduced .

P.S. People, my AC and HAWX references are just an exaggeration to make a point, don't take them too seriously.