Arado 234, B-17, P-47 in Strike

[Raw Kryptonite]

This thing grew like a weed overnight! Nice feedback.

Originally Posted by Riceball

And Raw, what do you mean by, "people should know you unlock this thing in the single missions"? I assume you mean the HE-111? And not the B-17.

Originally Posted by irrelevant

I think he was referring to the Arado 234

Correct, I meant the Arado is unlocked in the single missions.

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

the Arado carries three 500lb bombs

No, the Arado comes with 500 *kilogram* bombs. That's 1100 lbs each, releases 3 at at time. Still far behind the B-17 with 2000 lb'ers, but better than an A-20 or HE-111.

bomb kg tickets per bomb
100 lb 45 0.35
50 кг 50 0.5
100 кг 100 2
250 lb 113 4
500 lb 226.5 5
250 кг 250 6
1000 lb 453 12
500 кг (1100 lbs) 500 14
2000 lb 907 24(!)


I don't begrudge someone the right to use the B-17, they worked hard for--I sure intend to. I do wish people made an effort to balance the teams though. Too often I'm the only full sized bomber with a B-17 and another bomber on the other team (clearly in a party, so they want on the same team). In a case like that, I'm in the Arado. If we're all HE-111's, then I'm following suit---I prefer props too. Teams need to figure out what's needed to balance out. Move players around, bring the right aircraft.

I'm not playing Strike without a bomber until I get the B-17, but it's disappointing that another trend is the other entire team takes nothing but fighters and they turn the game into team battle. They need to remove any points for shoot downs, they should be defensive only IMO. Keep the game on target. 2 bombers vs. that will likely win, but again, it takes the life out of the game.

[Ancient Seraph]

If you'd take out points for killing, everyone would just grab a bomber and then it would only come down to who can hit the target the most times, most precise in the least amount of time, totally ignoring the other team. I would hate to see this happen, especially because the 'overpowerement' of the B17 would become even more obvious. As you said, it's still likely you'll win when flying bombers against a figher-only team, so once everyone has figured that out you'll see it less. People should be a little more variable in their setup though, switching between fighter and bomber (although I fully understand you want to unlock the B17 and thus only fly bomber), and should always pick a team, not random. This way it's easier for everyone if they should change type or not.

[Raw Kryptonite]

It would still make sense to have fighters, to deny the enemy from hitting your bunkers, but you're right, it would probably devolve into a bomber race. I think they said they had something in mind for this. Maybe reducing points for taking out bombers, or better yet, assigning bomber and fighter slots in the lobby. Not sure how that would work with varying room sizes though.
It's a lot of fun to be on well balanced teams, I hope something works out on this.

[Gazz6666]

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

If you'd take out points for killing, everyone would just grab a bomber and then it would only come down to who can hit the target the most times, most precise in the least amount of time, totally ignoring the other team. I would hate to see this happen, especially because the 'overpowerement' of the B17 would become even more obvious. As you said, it's still likely you'll win when flying bombers against a figher-only team, so once everyone has figured that out you'll see it less. People should be a little more variable in their setup though, switching between fighter and bomber (although I fully understand you want to unlock the B17 and thus only fly bomber), and should always pick a team, not random. This way it's easier for everyone if they should change type or not.

I see what you mean.

Actually, alot of people seem to go on about how brilliant the B-17 is, but i've been looking at the unlock list and have spent about half an hour building up Spitfire kills for that Spit Mk XVI Looking at about 50 or so at the moment

On that note - some people on IL2 are damned cowards. I've just finished a match that had 3 spitfires, 2 109's and a 163 in a 3 on 3 match. The match ended 15 - 6 in my favour, with all the kills being claimed by me in a Spit Mk IX. But it also ended at 2 on 1 (the hard way), with me against a Spit Mk II and the 163. So a note to anyone who quits because they're losing - please stop.

[Ancient Seraph]

Well, there's always gonna be quitters.. the curse of being good is that not everyone appreciates it, especially the enemy

[dazz1971]

if someone one the other team is using the jet bomber why not use the
he-162a2
afterall that was what the germans were designing it for fast bomber intercepter ??
a few times during strike games i have been told NO jets but the other team have b17 and can end all your teams tickets in a very short time if you dont have a b17 on your team how you supposed to stand a chance ???

also what has put me off strike games is that most of the time the guys on my team all went fighters and soon as the games started they all fly off to grab as kill im then left on my own as the only bomber by the time i get to the targets (if i make it that far) the other teams fighters are buzzing me and 9 times out of 10 i dont even get to drop payload before spiraling to earth in a ball of flames

for me the arado is a valid choice for strike if not then whats the purpose of having it in the game i mean its not like anyone is going to choose it fo a dog fight

[Gazz6666]

Tried the Arado, and I have one word for it;

Crap

It's terrible. Always choose the Ju-87, He-111 etc over it

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

Well, there's always gonna be quitters.. the curse of being good is that not everyone appreciates it, especially the enemy

Yeah, well said.

On the note of quitters, I was in CTA a moment ago and the host left because his team was losing (:@). I'm now working on 100 kills in the 109 series, so do I lose the kills for that game?

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by Gazz6666

Tried the Arado, and I have one word for it;

Crap

It's terrible. Always choose the Ju-87, He-111 etc over it

Tried the Arado, and I have one word for it;

Great

It's awesome. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is so cheap!

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by dazz1971

if someone one the other team is using the jet bomber why not use the
he-162a2
afterall that was what the germans were designing it for fast bomber intercepter ??
a few times during strike games i have been told NO jets but the other team have b17 and can end all your teams tickets in a very short time if you dont have a b17 on your team how you supposed to stand a chance ???

also what has put me off strike games is that most of the time the guys on my team all went fighters and soon as the games started they all fly off to grab as kill im then left on my own as the only bomber by the time i get to the targets (if i make it that far) the other teams fighters are buzzing me and 9 times out of 10 i dont even get to drop payload before spiraling to earth in a ball of flames

for me the arado is a valid choice for strike if not then whats the purpose of having it in the game i mean its not like anyone is going to choose it fo a dog fight

About the B17's: true. They're overpowered, and I hope they're a bit more accessible when the patch comes which enables SP unlocks. The B17 however can still be taken down decently, despite it's gunners, whereas the Agado can only be taken down with other jets, which leads to games where only jets will be used. Not my idea of a nice IL2 game. I have no idea why the designers added the jets, since they're in a whole other category from the piston planes. If I wanna fly jets I'll play Ace Combat. Somehow though, people fail to understand how jets are extremely game-deteriorating.

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by Ancient Seraph

I have no idea why the designers added the jets, since they're in a whole other category from the piston planes.

Because jets were used in late WW2, that's why.