SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I don't even know where to start in this thread. Those that think there is such a thing as a civilized society in the world today must be seriously demented. All of society is about money and power. Every ounce of it. A truly civilized society would care about all the people starving in the world instead of spending trillions in advertising for products they sell. They would think of others before themselves. But we don't. The world doesn't reward that. This is how society works. There is no such thing as a civilized society anywhere on this planet. So anyone saying that "I can't believe a civilized society like the US doesn't have more strict gun control/gun bans" is an absolute buffoon. We as a whole are very very very far from being civilized.

Couldn't agree more.

2ndly, any citizen should have every right to own damn near any gun/rifle/machine gun etc., they want. There's nothing worse than feeling/being helpless in a life threatening situation. NOTHING. Do you think that 100 Nazi soldiers could have gone into a town and rounded up 10's of 1000's of the Jewish had they all had been armed? Good fricken luck. The US does go to extremes on everything - anything from our cars, to our food, to our weapons, to our military, etc.. But one thing that will NEVER happen is some other country invading, or our own government rounding us up like sheep to be slaughtered. We contained the Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor, which is a very sad thing indeed. But there was no US soldiers out there killing the innocent civilians for crying, or trying to run etc. The absolute opposite of what happened when the Nazi's were rounding up the Jews and stealing all their possessions. I guarantee had the US army rounded up the Japanese and killed those that didn't line up like sheep, that our population would have gone after the military 10 fold. The white house would probably have been blown up etc. What can citizens of a country do that have no means of defending themselves when the citizens themselves are being raped, murdered, and slaughtered? Absolutely fricken nothing.

wait a minute now... you dropped two atomic bombs on civilians and firebombed their major cities. The fact you found a more efficient way to kill civilians doesn't make you better. Let's not play the game of "we're based on better moral grounds", because this is really not the case, we've ALL our skeletons in the closet. The US were an extremely racist country back then and after the war, so your statement is not acceptable.

That's what always amazed me reading about WWII. The amount of countries that just fell right over when Germany invaded is baffling. The population of those countries easily out numbered the German military by 10 - 20 fold and hardly anyone could do anything about it except stand there with their tail between their legs, subdue, or get shot in the head by the only people with munitions.

the way in which it happened would have left the US with their mouths wide open if you were invaded like the rest of Europe: let's not forget that your best tank in 1939 was the Grant and that you still had your M1903 as infantry rifle issue. Your Air Force was in no better state, so I doubt you would have managed to contain a well organized, well equipped and tactically supreme German Army. It took you fellas up to 1941/1942 to become militarily competitive, and the advantage was that you were an ocean away, far from the battlefields and out of the reach of their bombers.
Now I'm not saying you wouldn't have overcome them, but look what happened to the Russian giant before they managed to deliver an effective counter-offensive..
As for the Jewish, there were some cases of rebellions, like the Warsaw ghetto revolt and the Warsaw uprising, but they were few and far between, the problem was about internal conflicts, cos some people were indeed cool/couldn't be bothered/profited from the Nazi occupation. It's not all so black and white here in Europe.

The US has done it's fair share of being the stupid super power of the world, but one thing the government in the US will never be able to do is perform a genocide on it's own citizens. One word gets out and they'd have 50 million + armed citizens not letting that happen. All it takes is one crazy leader, the brainwashed citizens, the fellow military leaders, a whole bunch of propaganda and we'd have another Nazi Germany. I'm sorry, but as long as I live if I'm going out, I'm not going to do it defenseless. I'm not ever going to get to the point of marching into some gas chamber without being able to do anything about the situation in the 1st place.

Yeah, you export genocides and give them names like "war on terror" or "peacekeeping", much more efficient, proficient and profitable. Have a look at the number of casualties in the countries you "exported democracy" to since the end of WW2..

You can think I'm crazy. You can think I'm insane. But the real story is had all the citizens in those other countries during WWII been gun-toting hippies like us in the US, Hitler would have had to change his tactics up just a bit before an invasion. Because, quite frankly, any country that would dare try to invade the US would have as much problem with the population as they would with the military. And that's the truth. Think guns are bad all you want. (I don't like them either tbh - which is funny because of how many 1000's of rounds I fire from all sorts of military weapons every week) But the main thing is, you'll think twice before occupying a country where citizens own anything from howitzers, 50 cals, 40mm automatic grenade launchers etc.) than countries where citizens have kitchen knives. That's a fact and a cold hard reality. Like I said, good luck to any country that brings their military to ours for a conflict. It should've been that way for all the poor innocent people killed during WWII that couldn't do a damn thing to defend themselves. We will never lose our guns. This is our mentality as a whole, and I'll never live somewhere where I don't have the right to defend myself against some sort of batshit crazy leader hell bent on genocide. Let alone some stupid thief that thinks they can just try to take what's mine. Call the mentality crazy. But us yanks are not about to put up with BS like that. I know I sure as hell won't.

I don't think you're crazy, but maybe you're looking at the world with stars and stipes tinted spectacles.. Don't get me wrong, I agree about what you say in terms of the right of self defence, because our institution simply can't be everywhere all the time, but I don't think the US are any better than any other country in the world. There's no perfect or "better" country as such, because as long as there will be inequality there won't be happiness for all. It's an awful rat race, and when it comes down to the nitty and gritty is you vs the rest of the world, and what I want is that nobody touches my right of self defence, how I enforce it is my problem, pure and simple.