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Originally Posted by CWMV

Ah, now I see! We should only fight at 5000+ meters, well why didnt you say so? Why dont we all just air start there and bugger takeoff proceedures!


Im sorry, that was unnecessary, but really come on now.
Im not hunting B-17's, Im trying to wreck English airfields. Im glad that you enjoy fighting at 5000+ meters but you do realize thats not more than ignoring the problem right?
And again, if it was all correct then cool, Im down with it. But its not.

What an inconvenience. Fancy having to climb to a whole 16k ft..........

Originally Posted by CWMV

Ya I did, for years, but then I got spoiled by realistic FM's added by the mod community.

Couldn't disagree more. As soon as those models were in the maps virtually every blue took one instead of stock - coincidence? No. There's no way the blue 'community' would take a realistic option if it wasn't so easy to win with. The red count also went down the tube too, often 75% blue (whenever I flew). In Warclouds I regularly took P-51's and enjoyed success above 7500m, but then I remember fighting some of these new types later on in Spits v 109's. Despite advantage they would evade and chase, within a few minutes they would be running me down even @ 8km. I think at that point I realised that the Luftwhiner community had got their way by complaint. First the effective APIT rounds were removed (meant they could no longer dive away safely so easily) and then the addition of these new FMs. It could've been my problem getting tired of 1946 but I don't think so because last USL I was a member of TUA and we won the closed pit competition so I couldn't have de-skilled - USL only uses stock types when they exist already.

I pray that it doesn't happen here again, but I think it will because it just appears to me that many a Luftwhiner can't take losing and cannot understand why the Luftwaffe lost with such superior machines........ Everytime something goes against them they kick off, in 1946 it was the very late P-51's, the 'laser' La-7's, the Spit 25, the APIT rounds, but it was ok to have the Tall Tail in and the Me-210 with it's amazing automatic rear cannons (which were hugely unreliable IRL). Are you trying to correct something? or would you prefer to make the models correct and let the pieces fall where they may?