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Old 09-02-2010, 12:03 PM
RCAF_FB_Orville RCAF_FB_Orville is offline
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has no symbolism

Lol sorry but had to laugh at that comment (the clue is in the name). I see winny put you right on that score Splitter, beacons were used extensively when under threat of invasion, and so do resonate within the British psyche.

Beacon Pyres have been employed throughout our history and were used extensively on elevated land to warn of the presence of enemy and to coordinate defences, case in point is the Spanish Armada invasion attempt, but also used in our feuds with each other. I think with the lighting it may even have a kind of searchlight effect which would be apt too given the location.

Lukewarm about the design, but hardly an abomination. Maybe I'm over imaginative but I immediately thought of the 'prop' thing too. The interior looks like an excellent concept, I like it.....but agree with Feurfalke that it would benefit from some transparency. That way, along with the lighting there could be a kind of silhouette effect showing the aircraft at altitude, which could be quite impressive from distance.

Though I'm not a big fan of so called "modern art" (give me the Rembrandts, Monet's and Michaelangelo's any day) I actually don't think this is too bad. I like Picasso and Dali, and they could hardly be described as conservative and restrained.

If this offends your strait laced sensibilities then you'd probably have a heart attack in Madrid.

What message do they want to send, creating yet another memorial for a battle that happened 60 years ago?

Oh, I don't know Feurfalke. Maybe the message is that we are quite proud of the part we played in ridding the world of a despotic, totalitarian regime and a genocidal maniac who would have murdered anyone in Britain who did not fit their "Master Race" (LMAO) Ideal. Just a theory, but don't worry about it too much mate. We don't really require your approval anyway.

Well, the neighborhood where they want to build it is actually a shithole (cheap houses, lots of immigrants), from this point of view there's not much to destroy.

Wow. So all future developments should be in well to do bourgeois areas? Forget about the 'peasants' they do not have the intelligence to appreciate art anyway, out of sight....out of mind eh? Not everyone is lucky (?) enough to be born a spoilt b*stard with a silver spoon in their mouth.

Incidentally, I grew up in one of the "sh*tholes" you mention (a council estate in Newcastles West End) and social deprivation can hardly be blamed on the inhabitants. Why do you think immigrants are sent there? To keep them out of 'Daily Mail land' of course. Was lucky enough to get to University and do something with my life (thanks in no small part to the "Horrors of Socialism" Splitter, otherwise my life would be very different ) but not everyone can.

Maybe they are more deserving of some nice things than others, having been perpetually f*cked over, exploited by industry and ignored by successive governments....though art would be very low on my personal list.

So, you approve of deprived areas staying just the way they are.....as long as they are not near you? Investment in deprived areas is a bad thing? Christ.

Or maybe I've been too hasty and you are from there, and venting at the injustice. If so I take it all back.

Last edited by RCAF_FB_Orville; 09-02-2010 at 02:20 PM. Reason: Spelling and addendum.
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