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08-02-2009, 10:27 PM
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And is it true that you dont get to begin action on the ground having to get airborn? How freaking cool would it be to be able to take off in a 163 with the dolly having to be jetisoned...it could climb to 30000 feet in like 2 and a half minutes...yeah then you only had about 7 minutes of fuel to make a couple of passed through the formation
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08-02-2009, 10:30 PM
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I always play both campaigns in games like this. I play Panzer General, Iron Storm, Allied General, etc etc because of the what if situations. It would be hypocritical of me to say I don't like playing as the Nazi's or Japanese in CoD WaW, its fun. Hell I like gunning down innocent people in Grand Theft auto, doesn't mean I support real world scumbags. I am not a Nazi and nobody I know is a Nazi, what hitler did to the Jews is terrible but I am looking at it strictly from a military game stand point. I enjoy playing games as Napoleon too, and he was considered one of the Anti Christs. I think people read a little too much into this. Its fun to play the bad guys. Not to mention the German Weapons are sooooo much cooler. |
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08-02-2009, 10:35 PM
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Oh Versa also, not the entire German army was involved in the atocoties. Mostly SS and Waffen SS, the regualr Vermacht army was just like an American Joe, fighting because they are professional soldiers. Same goes for many of the pilots. Were there Zeolots? Sure. Are they any different from any conquering Army from Ceaser, to napoleon, to Atttlla the Hun, etc etc.
Like I said, what if scenarios are fascinating and to a history buff like me I expect it. Hell, channels like the History channel and the military channel would be off the air completely if they didn't have shows like Wings of the Luftwaffe and Hitlers bodyguards. LOL Also, much of our military was built on captured or learned German military tactics and hardware. Our entire space program started with Von Brown, a captured Nazi. So many other instances where we borrowed, stole, or used the spoils of war from the so called evil doers. |
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08-02-2009, 10:53 PM
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I dont think anyone should have to qualify, or explain why they would want to play as a Luftwaffe pilot...its a freaking video game..thats all that it is...Ive never gunned down cops or innocent civilians and I never will ..but it sure as hell is fun to do in GTA4. You have to play as the Japs in Battlefield 1943...and its fun running around with your melee samuari sword killing Marines and I prefer flying the Zero in that game to the Corsair..so what..I have a blast playing through JFK Reloaded from time to time...again doesnt make me an assassin or sympathetic to assassins. Now if someone ever released Sim Concentration Camp there might be a big PR problem but I would probably play that as well because its only a game...
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08-03-2009, 01:34 AM
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Most of what I wanted to say has already been said.
To think that by playing the Axis forces in a flight simulator is somehow glorifying the "evil Nazi cause" is a little narrow-minded. The horror stories of extermination camps and other war atrocities were committed, as someone posted earlier, by specific divisions created by Hitler to deal with those "problems". If you see SS in any German military designation, you can assume they were pretty determined in a cause that went above the "call of duty" that a regular Wermacht, Panzer, or Luftwaffe service member adhered to. They were soldiers. And they had specific technology and tactics that would be interesting to explore. That said, I've played plenty of games, in a campaign mode (I know, the audacity) that involved me controlling SS troops. But none of the games that I played were titled Rounding Up Jews or Expanding an Empire to Establish Racial Superiority. They were games like the original Sturmovik series, Close Combat, etc. The men and women that were involved in the Axis forces during WWII were people too. Some of them did horrible things. Japan, Italy, Germany, all of them have a list of war crimes. But let's not say that the Allies weren't guilty of some regrettable actions. Both in WWII, Korea, Viet Nam...and...well...I always think it's funny how we frown on aggressor nations when America itself is in another country with no justified reason right now. A lot of people paint WWII as a black and white conflict. Someone else pointed out that war is never that way. It's many shades of grey, and both sides involve human beings. |
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08-03-2009, 01:45 AM
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alot of people actually think that everyone who fought on the german side was a die hard nazi who wanted to drink the blood of the jews. While a good amount of people during the period were a part of the nazi party , it didnt mean they were fighting for hitler , or his ideals. At the time in history the german people were recovering from a completely humiliating defeat in ww1 , which as a result of the treaty of versille it completely disarmed germany as a nation militarily. Hitler was a voice of hope for germany , a beacon of light in a dark tunnel. Much like the american people looked toward obama in the recent election (not saying that obama is a nazi) People were nazis back then because it was the "thing" to do , It was the most effective way to show your patriotism to germany (not hitler) Now the SS , thats a different story , those guys were sworn to hitler. those were the sick fucks that you imagine when you hear the word nazi. But again , not ALL of them were completely brainwashed sicko's , alot of them just wanted to show the most support for germany as possible by signing up for the prestigous honor of being hitlers SS. Back to the point There is no reason why games cannot feature a story of the german soldier or pilot . Because a vast majority of them were fighting for their rights as a nation like anyone else |
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08-03-2009, 02:40 AM
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I also think that many german pilots while weary of the war and its costs, particularly late in the day, nevertheless felt a heavy responsibility and duty to defend german cities from the mass bombing attacks carried out by the allies. Most bombs dropped, the vast majority in fact, never hit their intended targets. Many civilians were killed of course and whole cities were leveled. Then of course there was the intentional destruction of civilians and cities through firebombing. I think looking back, as horrific as the toll must have been on the German people, on the Japanese people as well, it was a toll that had to be paid considering their complicity in the rise of the nationalistic militancy in both countries that set the world to a war of unmatched brutality, death, and destruction.
Having said that, I can understand and even empathize with the german fighter pilot and the seemingly hopeless circumstances he found himself in as the end was near. |
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08-03-2009, 02:45 AM
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While these young boys lost their whole families on airstrikes. And with the japanese spirit and such. They just gave it all to scare away the Americans. They would die anyway, why not a hero? |
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08-03-2009, 04:41 AM
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There are many stories to be told on all sides of WWII and any other past or current conflict. To characterize one side as entirely evil or good is a gross over-simplification of something much more complex. |
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08-03-2009, 04:48 AM
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