The real IL2 focus group (Everyone come in here)

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

maybe anton it would be possible to add it as an extra option when making a multiplayer match?

Surely this would not hinder down users experiances with the game who are not ready for it.

but as you can see alot of people want to see it.

I know the game is not gold , and i know this is a fairly simple feature to add

So why not just add it as an extra option for multiplayer only?

First - game is gold.
Second - you hadn't read me carefully.
There were reasons, to do that. I've provided some of them. Forum posts, and small poll isn't something that can change it easily.

Probably it can be done in title update, I don't know now. Or in a sequel.
We'll see.

[trk29]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

First - game is gold.
Second - you hadn't read me carefully.
There were reasons, to do that. I've provided some of them. Forum posts, and small poll isn't something that can change it easily.

Probably it can be done in title update, I don't know now. Or in a sequel.
We'll see.

Your the man Anton.

I can't wait to play the game. Thanks for all that Gaijin has done.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by jt_medina

For sure I´ll try the demo. But I have been a fan of the original IL2 and this BOP has part of his name. IL2 made history and I expect at least from this BOP to be as realistic as the original IL2 is.

You know, I think I can name more inaccuarcies in physics simulation, plane characteristics, and othe details in original game, than you.
Will it make original IL-2 bad game?
Was original Il-2 a console game? Why do you want the same game on another platform at all.
Was there any console flight simulation game at all? Why?

We made a new game.
Not a direct port of original PC game to consoles. A new one.
There will be parts of better simulation than original.
There will be parts of not-as-precise simulation as original one.
Because it is another game.

Redouts and blackouts - can be cool feature. But it isn't about plane flight simulation at all. It is about _game_. You are not really suffering from redout, when game shows you red screen, aren't you? So it is not about simulation, it is about indication, gameplay.

You want to take this feature out?. Ok, But don´t expect people say that it is an ultra realistic sim.

Yeah, OK.
Call it just realistic sim, without 'ultra'. Or simply just sim.
That means - sim.

To me this lower the standar of this sim, may be after I try out the demo I will change my mind but to me and for many others fans of IL2 are gonna see this like a weird decision.

OK, then don't buy it. No pressure from me.

You get angry because of my comments?.

No. I am getting tired, but not angry.
I understand your reasons.
I know a lot about our game, and about original game. More than gamers, and more than most of developers, and even more than some of developers of original game.
The thing is - you don't understand reasons.
It is hard to make a game, that will appeal to both audience. It is hard to make game with IL-2 name and even with another publisher, for another platform.

I am not telling that I am 100% sure, that that decision was right.
But it wasn't made because we've forgotten to make it, or were too lazy, or simply haven't known that such things happen to pilots. We made this feature, presented it on events, and yet it isn't in a release build.

Ask yourself, does this feature worth, let's say, possibility of ruining sales for a title? Spoil fun in multiplayer? Sequel? Simulation mode at all? Another year of development? Releasing the game at all?

That is what we were chosen (not in that specific case, I mean in general).

There you have the votes of the people. is not it enough to let you know what people really want?.

Nope. Most people in this poll here:
* are flight sim lovers. Moreover, hardcore once, who read forum
* are not against removing this feature. They'd like to have it (so do I), but not against removing it
* do not understand the whole picture (and not prentend to).
Besides, there are only 18 of them so far. Less than focus group, or even QA team.

OK, I have an idea.
Let's stop discuss redouts for a while.
I was going to release some Q&A instead, but I think I've used all my time for a weekend.
Talk to you all next week!

[GabeFan]

It doesn't bother me that blackouts are not in the game. It's not a feature I even thought about before, so knowing it's not in the game is no problem for me.

I am just extremely excited that this game is being made for consoles, and so thankful that Anton and his team took the time and effort to bring this game to the public. One small feature is NOT going to change my opinion of this game or discourage me from buying it.

I've been waiting for a console WW2 flight game like this for YEARS. Thanks Anton....

[xNikex]

If they were going to take away simulation(!!) I PRAISE Anton for only having to remove the black/red outs.

BTW: what's a title update?(I may have misunderstood)

Nice goin' guys! Now we gotta wait til Monday for some Q&A!(jk)

[irrelevant]

Thanks for your time, Anton.

It's a shame so much effort has been, well, wasted on this topic. I, like many here, would like to see a little blackout or redout visual... but at the end of the day, I am FAR more excited about how the game will play.

I mean, seriously, the closest thing I've seen to a sim experience for consoles is Over G Fighters on the 360. I managed to entertain myself for well over a year playing that game on single player only... and there were so many elements missing from that game.

With everything the team has included in this game - the beautiful graphics, the amazing sounds (hello? the crash in that gameplay video sounded spectacular!!!), the planes, the flight models, the missions, the options, etc. - there is nothing, in my humble opinion, that will compete and I made up my mind to buy this on release day a LONG time ago.

You can take out my favorite plane, the P-51, and I will still buy this game because it looks that damn good. I haven't been this excited for a flight game on consoles ever... and why? Because no one has brought this level of realism and detail to a game thus far.

Seriously, some of this bickering needs to end. Anton comes on this forum and has dealt with the highs and lows of "I love this game" and "OMG, deal breaker!" for the simple reason of trying to keep us informed and, perhaps, appeased. He has spent A LOT of time answering our questions... more than most would for other games. Frankly, I'd rather hear some Q&A answers in the other thread... or learn about other details of the game... than read 10 responses from Anton about why blackouts and redouts aren't in the game. His first post should have been enough (at least it was for me).

Title update... next game... whatever. I'm buying this thing and I am going to have a BLAST flying around the skies for a long, long time.

Anton, enjoy your weekend.

[GabeFan]

Originally Posted by irrelevant

Thanks for your time, Anton.

It's a shame so much effort has been, well, wasted on this topic. I, like many here, would like to see a little blackout or redout visual... but at the end of the day, I am FAR more excited about how the game will play.

I mean, seriously, the closest thing I've seen to a sim experience for consoles is Over G Fighters on the 360. I managed to entertain myself for well over a year playing that game on single player only... and there were so many elements missing from that game.

With everything the team has included in this game - the beautiful graphics, the amazing sounds (hello? the crash in that gameplay video sounded spectacular!!!), the planes, the flight models, the missions, the options, etc. - there is nothing, in my humble opinion, that will compete and I made up my mind to buy this on release day a LONG time ago.

You can take out my favorite plane, the P-51, and I will still buy this game because it looks that damn good. I haven't been this excited for a flight game on consoles ever... and why? Because no one has brought this level of realism and detail to a game thus far.

Seriously, some of this bickering needs to end. Anton comes on this forum and has dealt with the highs and lows of "I love this game" and "OMG, deal breaker!" for the simple reason of trying to keep us informed and, perhaps, appeased. He has spent A LOT of time answering our questions... more than most would for other games. Frankly, I'd rather hear some Q&A answers in the other thread... or learn about other details of the game... than read 10 responses from Anton about why blackouts and redouts aren't in the game. His first post should have been enough (at least it was for me).

Title update... next game... whatever. I'm buying this thing and I am going to have a BLAST flying around the skies for a long, long time.

Anton, enjoy your weekend.

+1!
VERY well said "irrelevant"!!!

[David603]

Having blackouts and redouts would be good as an option, but it is nowhere near a gamebreaker for me. I will buy and enjoy Birds of Prey on its release, and if we get blackouts and redouts later, then well and good.

[Buggins]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

OK, I have an idea.
Let's stop discuss redouts for a while.
I was going to release some Q&A instead, but I think I've used all my time for a weekend.
Talk to you all next week!

Happy Guiltyspark? Anton has been so patient with your bullshit, now you've ruined it for the rest of us. Just don't buy the game and piss off.

[peterdegrotere]

stop bitching guys, some of you are crossing the line, if its up to me..., you have your thougts abouth things, oke thats cool, but what i see here ?the attack on anton, he told you whats the reason was and there will be no changes, he kept it in a nice way and took the trouble for uss, to let uss know whats going on behind closed doors, and some of you are bitching him off.
Im not gonna go in any discussion with you, but you know if your the one to be a shamed of yourself