Il-2 MODs

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I dont dislike anyone here... What I dislike is people saying that they don't think mods in and of themselves are cheats.. yet in just about every sentence that has the word mod in it cheats are close behind.. and the relation of the two words by these postedrs insinuates that the two are equal and they arent. In the bigger scheme of things.. my having Redtail skins as the defaults for my mustangs, or having a custom splash screen, or even the 6DoF mod.. constitutes no discernable advantage over someone who does not have these things. With the 6DoF I mean if I am flying against someone who has TIR4 w/o 6Dof and I have the 6DoF.. there is not much difference in the sense that the action is fluid... and since both users are constantly moving me being able to glimpse the tip of a wing from behind a spar means little.

This thread is a waste of time because everyone here has their views. I used to feel the same way as many of the anti modders and it was only when the potential fears that I had were not realized .. from the quality of the mods to the proliferation of cheats that I decided to try them and I am glad I did. I have purchased enough copies of this series through out the past 7 years.. and I am talking more than 10 here at full retail price mind you, except for the last 2 copies of 46.. they were $20... if you add up the entire series and include gifts spares etc.... Not to mention the hundreds spent on upgrading my rig to use the software... then factoring in the time spent actually using it, promoting it, because I do... all the time. I have most of the videos on my laptop... not to mention about 200 screenshots... If I get into the copies I actually sold when I either worked retail at my local Best Buy or while just browsing in a store that sold the product and saw someone checking out the flight sims... I think I have more than earned the right to choose from something that is available to me... that is not taking money from Oleg's pocket. These mods are not being sold... no one is making money off the work... or taking food off 1C's collective tables... I don't know why 4.09 was not released .. perhaps it does have just about all to do with the mods.. I don't know and Oleg isn't talking... but these mods have been an improvement to my enjoyment of the sim.... and I don't knowingly associate with cheaters... so if you are against mods.. fine.. if you are against cheats.... that's fine too... but mod=cheat does not compute with me. Cheaters cheat...

Comon Bear. that's kinda BS man. if no ones taking a profit then why is aaa begging for thousands in "DONATIONS". how is that not stealing? how is that not taking a profit from some one elses work?
and like i just said all of these "new customers" coming to the sim becuse of the mods are not actually buying the sim the same way you or i did over the years....they're getting it for free. So i just can't help but wondering why in the hell you keep going to bat for these ppl.

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

Comon Bear. that's kinda BS man. if no ones taking a profit then why is aaa begging for thousands in "DONATIONS". how is that not stealing? how is that not taking a profit from some one elses work?
and like i just said all of these "new customers" coming to the sim becuse of the mods are not actually buying the sim the same way you or i did over the years....they're getting it for free. So i just can't help but wondering why in the hell you keep going to bat for these ppl.

where the hell do you get your info from? do you have any evidence backing up your statements? Yes people do pirate, But if you actaully read between the lines here most people in the online community will and do gladly part with thier cash for this game, i have several times.And anyone found using a pirated copy is frowned upon. Grow up man, and stop making up these un-founded accusations..unless you have evidence of course

[LEXX]

Weasel (to Copper)

Grow up man, and stop making up these un-founded accusations.

Yea I saw that too.

[Furio]

Two posts I’d like to read.
1) I’m a modder. Yes, sometimes I doubt that all this hacking is unfair, but I simply did not resist. All those new wonderful planes and maps and effects... I know that Oleg has all his rights on IP, but I think he should understand us, with all our enthusiasm. Peace!
2) I’m against mods. I think that long-term damage outweighs short-term enjoyment. I can’t talk for Oleg, but yes, I understand you and your enthusiasm. Peace!

Have a nice year.

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

none of them need to purchase the game any more. when it can be had for free download. The mods ppl have made it compleatly unnessacary to purchase the game any more.
So while ppl my self who have spent hundreds of dollars buying each consecutive release of the sim....they're getting it for free.
How fair is that? not very at all.

Rather a sweeping statement isn't it?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you still need the original game for mods to work, don't you?, I know I do..

Yes, some peeps have downloaded via P2P sites the game, but I would say the majority have purchased 1946 (and in my case and all I know who I fly with) all other versions published from the original IL2.

Why can people not accept that some have and like the mods and some don't.

IC have said this game has reached the end of its developement (even if the elusive .09 is ever released) and they have moved on, why can't other people?

Stop hero worshiping and slating/slagging of others please, reading these constant posts is the best cure for insomnia going, the same ground and arguements going round and round, resulting in people getting stuck so far up their own ar*es they cannot see anything else.


Accept we are all differant and think of a new topic please. (Aimed at both sides of the arguement)

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

Comon Bear. that's kinda BS man. if no ones taking a profit then why is aaa begging for thousands in "DONATIONS". how is that not stealing? how is that not taking a profit from some one elses work?
and like i just said all of these "new customers" coming to the sim becuse of the mods are not actually buying the sim the same way you or i did over the years....they're getting it for free. So i just can't help but wondering why in the hell you keep going to bat for these ppl.

for the man who posted FM data for stock plane publicly .... you're just about the last "man" on Earth who should talk about any kind of integrity . I strongly suspect that all of your rampage is caused solely from the fact that you have lost your "importance" in IL2 community ( if there was any at all) since mods presented themselves....

As for AAA goes , do watch what you're posting cos such accusations without any evidence just shows who you are and what your agenda really is ...
AAA has never encouraged nor allow any posts, discussion nor links about pirating IL2 products ... Any such action results with permanent ban ! And for donations part .... you can't be serious with that BS .

here, knock yourself out ( my second copy cos first one i had to give away to a friend who got interested in IL2 only when B17 got flyable ...)





another BS accusation is regarding treating former purists down at AAA .... lets hear from them regarding this .

regards
Z

[Baron]

Originally Posted by fly_zo

for the man who posted FM data for stock plane publicly .... you're just about the last "man" on Earth who should talk about any kind of integrity . I strongly suspect that all of your rampage is caused solely from the fact that you have lost your "importance" in IL2 community ( if there was any at all) since mods presented themselves....

As for AAA goes , do watch what you're posting cos such accusations without any evidence just shows who you are and what your agenda really is ...
AAA has never encourage nor allow any posts, discussion nor links about pirating IL2 products ... Any such action results with permanent ban ! And for donations part .... you can't be serious with that BS .

here, knock yourself out ( my second copy cos first one i had to give away to a friend who got interested in IL2 only when B17 got flyable ...)





another BS accusation is regarding treating former purists down at AAA .... lets hear from them regarding this .

regards
Z

Completly beside the point he was trying to make. (Did not know however that bying X amount of copys automaticly gave u the right to do pretty much whatever u want, good to know) And AAA do not condone piracy of IL2 products?............are u fregging kidding me, please tell me u are kidding?.....u see, statements like that just makes this horseshit go arround and arround in a never ending story.


AAA gets donations (money) for work based on something they stole, plain and simple.

Try working your way arround that one


And as of yet it doesnt seem to sink in as to why 4.09 isnt out yet, and proppably never will be ( a FREEEEEE addon mind u)....maby its because Oleg had enough...finally.



As i said before, my take on this is old news and boring but heres a little tip: Stop trying to justifie the usage of mods with all kind of retorichal bs, just own up to the fact that u/all dont mind telling Oleg " Thx, but well take it from here, u go work on the next project so we all have something new to bich about in a year or 2, seee ya , dont let the door hit u on the way out" and all this bs would have stopped long ago., u see, honesty is something a lot of people appriciate, even though it may come from someone he strongly disslike or feels is an A-hole even.

Here is some honesty from me: i wouldnt disslike mods half as much if it wasnt for AAA "holier than thou" bs, this selfproclaimed "anything not condoned by us is a no go" attitude. I dont remember seeing any of those duds CV`s making them the experts on anything IL2 related.........jesus, the hippocrasy coming out of that place just blows my mind.


So seriously, cut the crap, all of u.

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by Baron

Completly beside the point he was trying to make.


AAA gets donations (money) for work based on something they stole, plain and simple.

Try working your way arround that one



And as of yet only 1 person from the modder camp seems to start thinking "heeeeey, i think i know why 4.09 isnt out yet ( a FREEEEEE addon mind u)....maby its because Oleg had enough...finally.

yeah M4T accepts donations too .... and so does any IL2 forum + advertise banners ...

and everybody knows that IL2 patches are used for public testing Bob features ( since huh i can't remember when) .... so you'll get your patch when 1C need to test some BoB stuff again

Z

for your edition :

As i said before, my take on this is old news and boring but heres a little tip: Stop trying to justifie the usage of mods with all kind of retorichal bs, just own up to the fact that u/all dont mind giving it to Oleg from behind and all this bs would have stoped long ago.

this just shows your ages .....

our rhetorical BS does result with positive propaganda and free advertising for IL2 (AAA has 20 000+ members) .... which results with more copy sold . On the other hand your BS earns nothing ....

your edition no2 :

Here is some honesty from me: i wouldnt disslike mods half as much if it wasnt for AAA "holier than thou" bs, this selfproclaimed "anything not condoned by us is a no go" attitude........jesus, the hipocrasy coing out of that place just blows my mind.


So seriously, cut the crap, all of u.

eh... now you're showing what this really is all about

you'd like mods which we don't allow ..... talking about hypocrisy

maybe when you turn 18 you'll get it ...

Z

[LEXX]

zo (about copper) ::

or the man who posted FM data for stock plane publicly

copper did that, lol. What was that all about?

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by LEXX

zo (about copper) ::
copper did that, lol. What was that all about?

Yep,posted it on ubi LOL!
Funny thing is,that would have earned him a life ban at AAA,but at ubi,nothing