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Old 12-21-2008, 02:37 AM
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:00 AM
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ok, think what you want this to be true, I've been playing this game and I realized that if the planes are balanced, the Fw190 is the best airplane and put it well below its actual performance, the best accelerated fw190 The mustang under the 6000 meters and this does not happen in the game
I'm not really quite sure what your saying. The FW190 or the Mustang under 6000 meters what?

I consider the FW190 to be amongst the best of the planes in the game. Certainly in the online world the FW190 is the top scorer on many servers...especially in the Kills to Deaths range. If it were very badly modeled obviously it wouldn't be doing so well. It is not an easy plane to fly effectively...its actually quite easy to fly technically but in combat only the experienced will do well.

If you want help on FW190 tactics I suggest asking as many will be willing to help. If the FW190 is your favourite and want to talk to other enthusiasts of the plane I also suggest going here: The Focke Wulf Consortium: http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com...=viewforum&f=8

They gather data, flight performance, and other items related and not related to IL-2. I think you'll find after staring at the data that it is not nearly as badly modeled as it sounds like you think.
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Old 12-21-2008, 09:12 AM
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They were in bf109 g2 and I in a fw190-D9, fighting to 6000 meters, the bf109 g2 was clearly faster than my fw 190 d9. Why it happens?
FW190-D9 is faster than BF109-G2 at 6000m in level flight in game. The difference is about 75km/h of TAS.

What happened? Maybe you didn't turn WEP on or didn't keep the ball centered; or maybe they had more potential energy and just converted it to kinetic while diving on you. Also, don't think that faster planes climbs or turns better
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:59 AM
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IL2 1946 has quite good engine to make FM of existing planed quite accurate to IRL contempares. Unfortuanately Oleg Maddox Team made many seroius bug in data of many planes. I dont know if 1C used only russian books to model planes or so. Oleg Maddox many times said that something is not possible to make in these engine or is very hard to make or it needed a lot of time. Its simple untrue. I can repeat for sure actual engine of these game IL2 1946 allow to make quite very accurate perfomance of planes. But it needs to get correct data and put it into engine. See that there are many planes that represents very well RL perfomance. But also there are many which are bugged and have incorect data. I surly know that many thing could be done but they hasn't done. Of course that its hard to find good data for many WW2 warbirds. But community really had many information, datas etc. about these planes. The point is to get these data and use it correctly into engine of these game. These is the point.
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Old 12-21-2008, 01:02 PM
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FW190-D9 is faster than BF109-G2 at 6000m in level flight in game. The difference is about 75km/h of TAS.

What happened? Maybe you didn't turn WEP on or didn't keep the ball centered; or maybe they had more potential energy and just converted it to kinetic while diving on you. Also, don't think that faster planes climbs or turns better
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IL2 1946 has quite good engine to make FM of existing planed quite accurate to IRL contempares. Unfortuanately Oleg Maddox Team made many seroius bug in data of many planes. I dont know if 1C used only russian books to model planes or so. Oleg Maddox many times said that something is not possible to make in these engine or is very hard to make or it needed a lot of time. Its simple untrue. I can repeat for sure actual engine of these game IL2 1946 allow to make quite very accurate perfomance of planes. But it needs to get correct data and put it into engine. See that there are many planes that represents very well RL perfomance. But also there are many which are bugged and have incorect data. I surly know that many thing could be done but they hasn't done. Of course that its hard to find good data for many WW2 warbirds. But community really had many information, datas etc. about these planes. The point is to get these data and use it correctly into engine of these game. These is the point.
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:27 PM
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Bf 109 G-2 reach in game at 6km - 650 km/h

Fw 190 D-9 (44) reach in game at 6 km - 725 km /h

How G-2 could be faster ??

If you see D-9 (44) is overspeed with 25 km/h then RL D-9.
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:40 PM
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I don't state what I don't know. I have flown G2 and D9 more than enough over period of 3 years to know which is faster and by what magnitude.
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:45 PM
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Since your making the claim that they are not...please provide the screen shots with TAS speed indication or provide a NTRK file with the relevant speeds of both types in level flight at 6000 meters.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:57 PM
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And of course you can always throw the disks in the bin - just make sure you don't empty the bin, coz you will be digging into the bin after a few weeks (of MSFSim, LockOn, other inferior products ).
Life way too short to hate and in this stage of the IL2 life cycle there is very little chance (Bucklies to none!) of any official updates of the flight models.

As Freddie says there's plenty of other sims out there to try.

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