@Devs: Stop the Central nerfs - its enough

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Winger

I would secondf that if the devs could actually model the average experiencelevel of pilots during BOB or any other WWII Battletheatre and other aspects that actually influenced the outcome of the battles. But this is a game. Every player here gets LOADS of more practice and gets to try over and over and learn from each mistake. The real pilots did one mistake and that was in most cases their last.
We PLAY A GAME. Call it sim or whatever. This always has to be taken into consideration because its essential to achieve one thing: FUN WHILE PLAYING. No matter the side.

Winger

You chose a wrong sim (or game) then.

By fun by playing you obviously mean fun by winning. If the other guys have a chance too, you complain. In the chat, on the forums...

You say no matter the side but you only know one side. You never complained about the Hurricanes being 250kg too heavy because it was fun shooting them down. I understand, everybody likes winning.

[JG52Uther]

With the latest patch I feel very safe in a 109, unless I make a mistake. I fly high, I B n Z, and if it looks like things are going wrong, I run.

I hope we never see balance in il2, only accuracy.

[5./JG27.Farber]

You can no longer afford to get hit, at all...

[Winger]

Originally Posted by Robo.

You chose a wrong sim (or game) then.

By fun by playing you obviously mean fun by winning. If the other guys have a chance too, you complain. In the chat, on the forums...

You say no matter the side but you only know one side. You never complained about the Hurricanes being 250kg too heavy because it was fun shooting them down. I understand, everybody likes winning.

Sorry. You do not want to get me. I am done.

Winger

[GraveyardJimmy]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

You can no longer afford to get hit, at all...

I feel the same in red planes though, it's not a one side only thing. The pilot is especially vulnerable. Flying with a red screen means fighting is impossible (as it should be) and an RTB or ditch is the only solution in that case.

[macro]

Originally Posted by Winger

I would secondf that if the devs could actually model the average experiencelevel of pilots during BOB or any other WWII Battletheatre and other aspects that actually influenced the outcome of the battles. But this is a game. Every player here gets LOADS of more practice and gets to try over and over and learn from each mistake. The real pilots did one mistake and that was in most cases their last.
We PLAY A GAME. Call it sim or whatever. This always has to be taken into consideration because its essential to achieve one thing: FUN WHILE PLAYING. No matter the side.

Winger

Couldnt agree more with that

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Winger

Sorry. You do not want to get me. I am done.

Winger

No, I am trying to get you... but all I see is a guy who lost some fights on ATAG and now he complains. You don't really know what flying for the 'other' side is like, yet you make ridiculous claims like 'The spitfire does not black out'.

I respect your subjective opinion as a guy who flies 109s and now he realises that with the RAF semi-fixed it won't be as easy. Fair enough.

[FS~looksharp]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

With the latest patch I feel very safe in a 109, unless I make a mistake. I fly high, I B n Z, and if it looks like things are going wrong, I run.

I hope we never see balance in il2, only accuracy.

WELL SAID THAT MAN ~S~

IMHO, its an art to fly your aircraft to It's strengths and exploit the best out of it..


But please please please, never try and make the plane's more equal, that would be a tragedy...

In time there will be more and more servers catering for the needs of pilots... Leave it up to individual server settings to determine the realism they chose, not the sim at base level

[Slipstream2012]

Basically, you need to learn to fly your plane.

Even in the days of the uber 109, skilled red fighters could take one out, and as much as I'm sure there are a few 109 fliers that would like to BnZ under-performing planes forever, there are a lot more that appreciate the fact that the FM's now are more historically correct and there is a challenge to be had when your opponent can fight back.

I'm out-climbed by 109's all the time. I can keep with them for a while but then airspeed gets too low and I stall out.

If the Spitfire or Hurricane can out turn you, what the hell are you doing in a turn fight with them?

I can shred parts from Spitfires in a dive at the same rate that I can shred parts from a 109.

I Black/Red out many more times in a Spitfire or Hurricane than 109, because I BnZ in a 109, and turn fight in a red fighter.

Since the new patches everything has been evened out, I've seen 109's flying high, and swooping down to BnZ approaching enemies. Red fighters out-turning 109's that are stupid enough to play with them in beehives. and G.50's doing some crazy aerobatics and coming out on the tail of Red fighters.

Remember: In 3 months & 3 weeks in 1940, the few in mainly Hurricanes and a few Spitfires, faced and took down the mighty Luftwaffe in the summer skies over Southern England. History speaks for itself, if their planes were so crap, the outcome would have been totally different.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

You can no longer afford to get hit, at all...

Yes I like it. Now when the coolant / radiator is hit my 109's fate is spelt ... which is more realistic. Before one could run indefinitely and spoil the efforts of poor reds. BUT ... it looks like it's a little bit too frequent as a damage, IMHO.

Cheers!