the stuff dreams are made of!!!

[JudgeMingus]

One difference I notice is that the SimWare 'grip' section is mostly a single moulded piece, whereas the Tarmac Aces stick is constructed from mutliple components as the original was (this is easiest to see with the additional thumb button on the left side of the grip).

They are both waaaaaay too expensive for me, though.

[C6_Trollbug]

@Eckhart : as I told it to you last time , you can order on our website : other American simmers have done this yet, why shouldn't you ?

The stick sold on Simware isn't carried out by Tarmac Aces.
Just have a close look on it : it's a grip which try to be alike to a KG13 , not more .

The angle between the grip and the tube is not right.
The top of the grip hasn't the shape of a KG13 . It's nearer of a KG12 , but not exactly.
The trigger is very very simplified ...
Have a close look on the link between the grip and the release button , on the left side of the grip : it's awful.
The measurements of the identification plate aren't right , and it's only a print on the plastic , not a screen-printed aluminium plate , cold-riveted , as the original (and ours)
The length from the floor to the top of the grip isn't realistic .

In conclusion : it's difficult to believe that the person who made this grip ever had in hands a real KG13 . It's a bad copy , perhaps inspired by pictures.

The mechanic of this stick is obviously a traction springs equipped gimbals . I made it myself for my Cougar , two years ago .
Cost : 30 euros , with the micro bearings , the springs and the cermet potentiometers .

Any potentiometer , even the better one , wear out . It's electronical datas will decrease until you'll have to change it .

The Hall Effect sensors can't wear out , and it's electronical datas (way more precise than the better potentiometer) , will always stay at the best level .


Mr Schmid contacted us last year . He wanted us to equip his "cockpit". We didn't gave him an affirmative response : the level of detail of his cockpit was too low , absolutely not a replica level.
So he made himself his "grip looking like a KG13" , at the same level of detail of his cockpit...

Everyone makes it's choice .
Historical replicas , with the more accurate and long-lasting mechanism , or a joystick which vaguely looks like a real one .

We carry out active replicas , realized from the print of a real grip . Each part of our grips are realized like this . We doesn't alter any part to make it easier and cheaper to carry out . We made the choice to carry out "historically correct grips". It can't be cheap , we assume it . (and remember , we don't earn a penny on our grips : you have in hand a grip wich worth what you paid for it) (we do that stuff because we are passionated simmers : if we would have to feed our childrens by selling 800 euros joysticks ..... OOCH !!! )

If you want good pictures of real KG13 , have a look here :
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/
It's as gold mine !

Go on our webpage : there is a new grip online , the third one which can be fitted on our Universal Base.
There are some very good news too for the Spitfire , Hurricane and Tempest addicts ...

Good flight !

Trollbug

[Eckhart]

Thanks Trollbug. Straight to the point and good discussion.

As always in life when something is cheaper there is usually some hidden drawback ( I know about bad quality from the Cougar times)

Now there are some additional questions. The LW rudder which can be seen in the video on the Tarmac website (http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/...ies_action.php) is not listed in the hangar stock price list. Will it become available soon?

Can you give us some information about the ongoing projects concerning a Tempest or Spitfire fighterstick? Will those fit to the universal base?

Do you work on some forcefeedback module? It would be so great to get some better feedback about the airflow under the wings ( just dreaming).

How far are you advanced with your own cockpit replica?

On a personal note, I was promised to get contacted by one of your sales reps....( I have to hurry before my wife finds out about that....)


In any case, many thanks for making this a really high quality stick (I have enough of the Cougar or Logitech cr#p!)


Cheers,

Eckhart

[Boandlgramer]

Dear Trollburg

I am "Mister'" Schmid.
I see no reason for your reaction .

When I got emails where people asked me about our stick , if it is a replica, I always answering : """""""""""""No it´s not.
If you want a Replica go for the Tarmac Aces Stick. According to their homepage, they produce 100 % Replicas."""""""""""""""""""".


I don´t want to have a word-fight with someone here, I am too friendly for that.

I like our stick and our cockpits as well. They are not too expensive.

However. Even after your arrogant comments, I wish you a great success with your products.

Boandl

[Boandlgramer]

....and about Halleffect sensors.
Even OUR "Steuerknüppel" is available with halleffect sensors.

[C6_Trollbug]

Mister Schmid ,
I never wanted to be arrogant . I just wanted to tick off the differences between the Tarmac Aces KG13 and yours , to avoid confusion . I apologize if I hurted you .

@Eckhart :
Our parallelogram rudder will be available at mid-august , with optional pedals :Luftwaffe , RAF , or Jaguar .
The "spade grip" (the grip which equipped Hurricanes , Spitfires, Tempest , Typhoon , early Meteors , and early Vampires) will obviously fit on the Universal Base , but it will also fit on the new shifted axis Base.
We're working on a Force Feedback module which could be fitted under the Universal Base , but there's a lot of work until we can carry it out ....

Trollbug

[Boandlgramer]

Trollbug

Are your nice ruderpedals also Original ?

[Meusli]

He he he.... pistols at dawn Gentlemen you can not let this insult pass you by

[Eckhart]

Great! now we have both protagonists on this thread! I think it is important for us to get all the facts.

First of all, a triple huzzah for you guys making us dream with these great achievements!

Man we would all luv to fly in one of your cockpits... that's the stuff dreams are made of!!!!

And Oleg don't forget about this !: You made a flightsim which was at one point the benchmark for computer performance! Keep your new work open for this kind of possibility. Who knows? In a few years, we might be able to have this kind of stuff on a more widespread base..... Listen some years ago a few megabytes was the ultimate dream for computers and now...

So back to our thread:

Mister Schmid: all my admiration goes to your work and i would like you to expose more of the details regarding your projects! Can you give us more details about your fighterstick? How does it compare in your opinion to the Tarmac model?
What about this absolutely stunning cockpit? Is there a motion platform included? What kind of videoprojector do you use? Do you think that this setting would be appropriate with Il2? And the painful question, what would be the price range for this cockpit?

Trollbug: I am sorry if I made you walk on thin ice but I can feel how passionate you are about your project...
Are those future projects modular, I mean do they apply to the already existing universal base? It would be a pity to shell out a lot of money just to learn that there is some new better stuff in a few months which is not compatible with your equipment.


To finish: PEOPLE OF THE IL2 DREAMLAND! A triple huzzah to these fine people who are making the stuff our dreams are made of...

HIP HIP...

HIP HIP...

HIP HIP...


Cheers,

Eckhart

[C6_Trollbug]

You would be surprised to see where active WWII aviation parts can be found today ...
One of the Tarmac Aces Team members , Laurent , is a retired Jaguar pilot of the French Air Force .
He is also one of the founders and active members of a non-profit organization which goal is to restore and make fly a MD312 "Flamant" , the first plane carried out by Marcel Dassault Industries (under this name , of course) . (this plane use Argus engines , as the FW189)
This plane fly since last year ... ) (the starting of the V12 engines is very impressive ! )

Non-profit-organizations which restore planes have generally very good connections each others . Another one is restoring a 1920's french plane (a Morane ) , and , as they could not find original rudder pedals for this plane , they fit FW190 pedals on their rudder (I don't know where they found the pedals , but they're original)....
That's it !

@Eckhart :
Of course , this module will fit on the existing Universal base !

Trollbug