What disappoints me is the lack of communication on the 'Official' forum :(

[Feuerfalke]

I'll stop as soon as you do. Infact I only restarted because you did.

And BTW, I didn't say that UBISOFT doesn't allow updates, I posted that UBISOFT has all the rights and they say when things will be announced or released. Slight difference, but to the same effect, honestly.

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

I'll stop as soon as you do. Infact I only restarted because you did. .

I was just making out i was important, because i thought you really were important.

[Skarphol]

Guys, guys, you are really amazing me!

Firstly that you, Feuerfalke, really see a point in taking the time to answer the same questions over and over again. I have a tendency to go nuts when my children ask the same question wich I have allready answered before several times. And you must have noticed that most questions are not directed to you, and that a lot of people are not very satisfied by your answers anyway.

Secondly, that all of you other guys get so upset by Feuerfalkes answers. We all know pretty much what his opinion is in these matters anyway, so why just not ignore his answers if they are so offensive?

I think we all are quite disappointed whith this forum, most of us remember so well the happy times around 2002 when we had frequent updates and news, but we are in no position to demand anything!

You guys need to calm down a bit. It's summer in the northern hemisphere! Go out and have som fun! Look at the chicks! They are wearing skirts!!

Skarphol

[Feuerfalke]

Well, Skarphol, that's what I'm saying. This is not because people want updates. We all know that there will be updates. The thing is just that some people just can't take waiting for it and use these media to vent. It's nothing more than that.

I also agree that we had a different time when the original IL2 was released. Things were quite different for a lot of reasons. Oleg and UBI had little to lose, as they didn't estimate the impact of this sim, nobody started preemptive complains about content and problems with the game and the only people that were active on the forums were fans, who hoped for a great simulation.

Over time more and more people got p*ssed. Their favorite plane got porked, Cal50s don't kill Tigers, FW190s are crippled because the refraction of the glass is not modeled, the sounds sux so bad you can barely take it, it has not 6DOF, etc. It's first really bad climax was reached with PacificFighters, when people started to threaten Oleg personally with lawyers and stuff and while MG natural reaction to that was to keep silence more and more, that just got more people upset.
Now we are in a situation that UBISOFT, MG and 1C remain silent about this project, for various reasons stated a dozen times before and we are reaching a new sad climax.

My mission is not to lecture people, like most people claim. But this ravage against MG is the worst thing this community could do and the most effective way to cease support from either side, may it be UBISOFT, 1C, MG or Oleg himself. Just look at the responses to the latest updates? They're even flaming MG because the only show models.


No, Sir, this has gone far beyond the interest in this sim or in news about BoB. This is a flamewar against a publisher and a developer. It's a bad thing to do and it's a bad way things are turning, on the short term and on the long term for this whole upcoming brand.
You guys keep talking about bad advertisement for this simulation from MG and UBISOFT, but it is THIS COMMUNITY who is making the only bad advertisement there is, the worst propaganda for this sim ever and you're doing exactly the opposite of what you'd like to see or what you claim to do. In the meanwhile, I was even asked by gamemagazines what is going on in this community and why they are constantly flaming the developers. Guys, don't you realize your complains are not in private, but clearly visible for everybody inside and out?
Go ahead and claim to have the right to do so, if you really need to. You will all have to take the consequences sooner or later. If you don't see that, I'm just sorry for you and those who really love to see a long fortunate life of this sim.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

And BTW, I didn't say that UBISOFT doesn't allow updates, I posted that UBISOFT has all the rights and they say when things will be announced or released. Slight difference, but to the same effect, honestly.

E3 has come and gone, Ubisoft made no announcement about SOW BoB.
From the tiny amounts of useful information in this carbled thread I can deduce one thing.
There will be no SOW in 2008.
And frankly thats good enough for me.
Who ends up publishing it in Europe or the USA does not concern me. I live in Africa and we are used to waiting.

Point to think about:

If I had just brough out a piece of a doggy doo-doo console game called "Birds of Prey" I sure would not be announcing anything about a state-of-the-art PC flight sim that will have the console fanboys complaining they had been short-changed. (not meant as an insult to developers, but lets face it, flying a plane on a console, lets get real? They will never experience anything...)

I would just lay low for a while and once copies of my console game were flying off the selve and I had made my dough then and only then would I remind the world that the alpha and omega of flight sims was just around the corner.
Maybe even a console version as well

[Feuerfalke]

Reasonable, Bobb4.

I was not surprised that there was no official announcement on this years E3, as it was a shadow of the E3 that it used to be. IIRC there were just minor announcements for the whole business on this years E3, especially compared to the news on the gaming market that were published in the weeks before.
As many critics say, E3 2008 was insufficient in many regards, especially considering it was AFTER titles for this winter were announced. There may be informations on this years GamesConvention in Germany, considering UBISOFT is a European company, the former plans for a takeover of UBISOFT by an US-publisher and the later date offering some further options - but I won't place my bets on it.

Considering all the bits of information we have, I also agree that there will be no release in 2008. I don't know how much BoP has to do with it, as it's another publisher for the western world and another developer, but considering the history of IL2 and the circumstances, I bet UBI will announce and advertise the game a pretty short time before the release, only after it's perfectly clear what will be in and what not and at a stage where it's clear that competitors will not be able to benefit from that information prior to BoBs release.

[Bobb4]

And in the marketing game there is no such thing as bad publicity. And in any forum you will find arogant, self-rightious and idiotic people. (please note I do not exclude myself from this category)
Anyone who believes half of what they read in any forum need their heads read.
I am doggedly loyal to IL2 because I fly it daily online. On warbirds of prey or ADW or our own South African sgs servers I fly. On Ts channels I talk to flyers from all over the world and only one thing matters... "The moment that enemy plane drifts into your sights and you squeeze the trigger or the moment a wingman clears your six" ...Flying to live or living to fly you take your pick.
So if SOW never gets off the ground I will still be flying and if it does I will just be a happier flyer.

[Feuerfalke]

That's not that simple. As long as people keep bashing a person, they and the guy they flame are just forum-morons to any outsider, just as you said. Bashing the developer falls back on the community, the brand and the team and a lot of sources are very sensitive to that.

I dont see any bashing or flaming of Oleg/1C/Ubi taking place in this thread, no-one is asking "when is this sim going to be out". We all know its a long way off. This thread was started by Mysticpuma who raised a valid concern about the lack of communication from Oleg/1C/Ubi. Is that being flamed or bashed, i think not, its just a simple fact. It doesn't matter how you want to flower it up, or what the reasons are, at the end of the day there is very little communication. Some people dont mind being kept in the dark, others find it frustrating - its life.
This is a forum, a place where you can express your concerns, yet sadly it seems that those that do end up getting bashed or flamed themselves.

[Mysticpuma]

"This thread was started by Mysticpuma who raised a valid concern about the lack of communication from Oleg/1C/Ubi. Is that being flamed or bashed, i think not, its just a simple fact."

Thanks Tree, that was exactly my point.

Cheers, MP.