RAF Bomber crews remembered. Better late than never.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yes I know what a 'firestorm' is, even that has not been written out of history, but back to my question unless you are evading it deliberately?

do you say bomber command was created 'solely' for killing civillians?

Nitpicking and distraction, Bongo.
That was it's main emphasies. While in other branches the killing of civilians was indeed mostly collateral, sometimes delibaretly, no other "regular" military branch of any nation was so preoccupied with killing civilians as it's main operational goal over such a long period of time. At least none that I know of.

Now you can point out to the various NAZI organisations, but as I said before, be careful with what kind of organisations you want the comparison.

Btw, it is interesting what even the Daily Mail has to write about that topic:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-led-them.html

[bongodriver]

Nitpicking and distraction, Bongo.

Not really, it's a reasonable question I asked, why else would you make a point like that?

So....do you say bomber command was formed solely for killing civillians? simple yes or no.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Not really, it's a reasonable question I asked, why else would you make a point like that?

So....do you say bomber command was formed solely for killing civillians?

Nitpicking and distraction, Bongo.
That was it's main emphasies. While in other branches the killing of civilians was indeed mostly collateral, sometimes delibaretly, no other "regular" military branch of any nation was so preoccupied with killing civilians as it's main operational goal over such a long period of time. At least none that I know of.

We can do that all day long.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Something to chew over:
Not a single german military branch was solely created to kill civilians on a massive scale.
Those organisations and units geared for mass extermination were of Nazi origin. From a german perspective, that gives you an idea of what kind of connections Bomber command evokes here.

Are you saying Bomber command was formed solely for killing civillians.....yes or no, not looking for comparissons or elaborate sentences, I really just want to hear the point of your above statement.

the reason I ask is because the Luftwaffe were bombing British civillians, and somehow that doesn't qualify the Luftwaffe to the same lable.

[Sternjaeger II]

I'm looking for the war cabinet docs on the national archives that actually do mention the annihilation of the Germans,in the mean time have a read at this

http://www.rense.com/general81/germm.htm

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Are you saying Bomber command was formed solely for killing civillians.....yes or no, not looking for comparissons or elaborate sentences, I really just want to hear the point of your above statement.

the reason I ask is because the Luftwaffe were bombing British civillians, and somehow that doesn't qualify the Luftwaffe to the same lable.

No,don't be silly,they were both offensive branches of the respective air forces.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

No,don't be silly,they were both offensive branches of the respective air forces.

I know that and you seem to know that.....does Bewolf?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I know that and you seem to know that.....does Bewolf?

I'm sure he does, have a read at that link I posted Bongo.

[ATAG_Dutch]

'It was not just Bomber Command that was responsible for the estimated 450,000 dead; the US air forces soon abandoned any pretence that they could bomb with precision, and two-thirds of their bombs were dropped blind through cloud and smog. A staggering 87 per cent of all bombs missed their target. American planes also killed tens of thousands of civilians. Nor was Bomber Command ever ordered exclusively to murder the German population. The directive for 'area attacks' of 14 February 1942 contained a long appendix, not mentioned by Friedrich, which listed more precise military and economic target systems, while limiting attacks on cities to those with large industrial areas and extensive workers' housing. For much of the last year of war, Bomber Command was ordered to attack transport, oil and other military targets linked with the war on land as it rolled across the German homeland in 1945.'

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

'It was not just Bomber Command that was responsible for the estimated 450,000 dead; the US air forces soon abandoned any pretence that they could bomb with precision, and two-thirds of their bombs were dropped blind through cloud and smog. A staggering 87 per cent of all bombs missed their target. American planes also killed tens of thousands of civilians. Nor was Bomber Command ever ordered exclusively to murder the German population. The directive for 'area attacks' of 14 February 1942 contained a long appendix, not mentioned by Friedrich, which listed more precise military and economic target systems, while limiting attacks on cities to those with large industrial areas and extensive workers' housing. For much of the last year of war, Bomber Command was ordered to attack transport, oil and other military targets linked with the war on land as it rolled across the German homeland in 1945.'

yep, Americans were also guilty and had their responsibility in the perpetration of this war crime.