Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Actually I think you'll find the 3D artists are working 100% on the sequel while the coders are working 100% on COD because COD is the engine for the new sequel.......I'm sure this has been explained before.

Explained yes. As yet proven with any degree of confidence, not so much.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Rjel

Explained yes. As yet proven with any degree of confidence, not so much.

I could say the same for the wild and speculative conspiracy theories too.

[SQB]

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

[Kobold10]

Originally Posted by SQB

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

Perfect statement! I totally agree on that. Good things need time. Let us stay together and have a good time until the patch is there!!!

[Walrus1]

Originally Posted by SQB

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

+2.

This is a big, complicated piece of software. It is obviously taking a very long time to get it right. They may have overpromised regarding deadlines, but it is what it is. I am looking at the long picture.

[klem]

Good idea this 'discussion' thread. Imagine what the Update thread would have looked like (again) with all this crud in it.

Summary....
Blacksix: Sorry, nothing new. We're still working on it.
Community: Same old Same old. Pages of it. Nothing new. Still I suppose it lets off steam.

[mungee]

Originally Posted by SQB

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

I couldn't agree more!

Flight sims are a niche market - we WANT them - we must prepared to put up with some delays - perhaps we may have to accept paying more for the product if we want it in the future - we don't want to scare developers off from what, for me anyway, is a very big part of our lives!!

[GF_Mastiff]

Most gaming niche, indie developments are doing just that ATM. It makes business since.

DCS is doing it, with new add ons , and new upgrade supports

Battlefront is doing it with there new Combat Missions series.

just you won't pay for technical updates or patches, just game
engine upgrades and such.

[joker68]

Just bought AeroFly FS and I'm spending some time doing aerobatics on Alps. Nuff time to sharpen skills until this patch comes out. It'll be done when it's done.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by SQB

Guys, please, I am seeing far too many personal attacks (no matter how well wished) for my liking, you guys are risking infractions and bans and, moreover, bringing down the quality of the forums. It's understandable, and I know it feels like the devs have left us here to fester sometimes, but just hold back on it until we see some work on COD to interrogate

Meanwhile, those of you who tested the beta of DCS BS or Warthog know full well that games take a helluva lot of work to get right, the engine those games used was not new at all, rather an expansion of the old LOMAC engine, and still took at least half a year to get rid of game breaking bugs.

IL2 CloD *needed* this kind of beta test, but it didn't happen, so it seems we're now the beta testers. It's not a perfect scenario, but that's how it is. The engine is almost completely new, and as such there are many, many more bugs than would occur just in an upgrade, and the engine needs a ton more work, as is being currently done. Be patient, it's summertime in the US so you guys should be outside, us winter-folk can find other things to pass the time. And the game is playable (for most) at the moment, even in this half-completed state there are many players on the ATAG and REPKA servers.

So guys, calm down, be patient, if need be take a break from the forum. This engine we have now is incredible in its graphics and physics, consider it as an engine demonstration, I am confident anything built on it in the future (BoM for example) will be fantastic.

What he said, pure and simple.

I'm glad that my patience is damn near unlimited, and that if the fears of many forum-dwellers come true (I.e. that CLoD will never be "finished" to an acceptable degree), I'll just write it up as a bad $50 investment. Which, quite frankly, isn't enough to make me get all riled up and get my knickers in a twist, balls in a bunch, and so on and so forth.