Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

but it is the lack of information that causes the hysteria, they should give some progression feed back weekly. "This week we accomplished............and now our attention is on......"

I don't know if that would even do it..

Based on this forum I think it is safe to say no amount of information will do the trick.. Because the one thing this forum has proved to be true about human nature is..

You can please some of the people some of the time..
All of the people some of the time..
Some of the people all of the time..
But you can never please all of the people all of the time!

[klem]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I'll translate: CloD is being abandoned, only to be improved collaterally with what ever changes happen to BoM (be it good or bad). If the SDK is released, it will be up to the community to improve CloD.

Nothing new. And note that whilst my tone sounds harsh, it's the stone cold fact. CloD is being abandoned: no more work is being done on the Battle of Britain. At least BoB2 (which suffered similar problems as CloD did at the beginning) had an awesome campaign right from the start. For offline flyers this is pretty awful. Don't make a game if you're not passionate about it.

You don't need to translate, its already done by someone else but you should get a new translator and/or comprehension explainer:

1) We Will continue to work on a patch for CloD and the Engine, in spite of the announcement and Development of the sequel

2) to Develop CloD, Creating New content, We do not plan to

3) The output of the Su-26 and KFOR OFFICIALLY Currently Has not Been canceled

It is new content for CoD that will not be developed. That doesn't mean new content has been abandoned because it was never planned or promised and therefore does not exist to be abandoned either in practice or in concept.

[philip.ed]

It is the new content that is necessary to make it a realistic simulation of the Battle of Britain. At the moment it is a channel scrap.

So OK, let's say the game benefits from engine updates and whatnot, will the radio commands sound any better? Will the RAF decals get any better? Will there be any more flyables? No, is the answer. Posts from Luthier reveal this. No more flyables have been planned: no additional content, as you point out, has been planned.

This is abandonment. As an offline user the game is barely what I expected. I fly BoB2 more for the enjoyment. Yes graphical changes are lovely, but for me not in the right places. Chivas, again you are selective in your approach. Graphical changes will not make the landscape any better. No nice hedgerows or anything. England and France aren't Russia.

I'm sorry Klem, but that argument doesn't hold water. The pre-conception up until months after release was that CloD would be the first in a series of expansions. With the team's dedication to accuracy (and my e-mails with Oleg show this) I had every inclination the team were going to deliver something unbeatable; I didn't think they'd release it, patch it so it worked (with one graphical rewrite and a few patches benefiting i and adding to the game) and then leave it. From their past attitude to achieving the best, it is abandonment of this aspect of the series. They're leaving the game to never improve it again. With your suggestion in mind, if you had a child but never promised to care for it, it wouldn't be abandonment if you walked out on it. That's ridiculous. When you attempt to produce something and don't see it finished, it is abandonment whether you want to admit it or not.

I'm happy for them to work on BoM, but their position would be a lot more credible if they had CloD polished to the gem it could be, with the relevant Sim-HQ second look review saying how far the sim has come along.

[kendo65]

To be honest Klem, I think Philip is saying pretty much the same thing:

2) We do not plan to develop new content for CloD [rewritten for clarity]

is effectively the same as

"CloD is being abandoned, only to be improved collaterally with what ever changes happen to BoM"

People may disagree with the use of the word 'abandoned', but it is a fact that in game terms COD will be left in a pretty half-assed state. Although there will be general improvements to the engine with BOM that will also benefit COD, that will not be sufficient to turn COD into the full-fledged Battle of Britain simulation that many of us had been so excited about for years.

Without further dedicated content COD is destined to remain an empty shell as a Battle of Britain simulation. Unfortunately, over the last six months, I have been slowly coming to accept that the game that I was so excited about for so long is really not going to be realised. There is still the habit of checking in for latest news and word on the patch, but it doesn't mean that much to me any more because the underlying vision and potential as a Battle Of Britain sim/game/recreation will not be reached.

I continue to hope that some time in the future the community may finish the job that the devs couldn't (or wouldn't). Until that happens I don't see myself playing it much.

The series as a whole still has potential to be really special and I hope with a new theatre that they can finally get it together. I still get excited about the prospect of dynamic weather, etc, etc; but as an immersive, exciting recreation of a pilot's experience of the Battle of Britain COD is a dead duck.

And I do feel very let down and disappointed about that.

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My post written before I read Philip's latest. That we're both expressing nearly identical feelings says something I think. Something else - neither of us are your much caricatured, heard about the game last week and thought I'd give it a go, 2-week, rent-a-whine merchants either. Both of us were hugely excited by this game for a long time before it's release.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

It is the new content that is necessary to make it a realistic simulation of the Battle of Britain. At the moment it is a channel scrap.

So OK, let's say the game benefits from engine updates and whatnot, will the radio commands sound any better? Will the RAF decals get any better? Will there be any more flyables? No, is the answer. Posts from Luthier reveal this. No more flyables have been planned: no additional content, as you point out, has been planned.

This is abandonment. As an offline user the game is barely what I expected. I fly BoB2 more for the enjoyment. Yes graphical changes are lovely, but for me not in the right places. Chivas, again you are selective in your approach. Graphical changes will not make the landscape any better. No nice hedgerows or anything. England and France aren't Russia.

I'm sorry Klem, but that argument doesn't hold water. The pre-conception up until months after release was that CloD would be the first in a series of expansions. With the team's dedication to accuracy (and my e-mails with Oleg show this) I had every inclination the team were going to deliver something unbeatable; I didn't think they'd release it, patch it so it worked (with one graphical rewrite and a few patches benefiting i and adding to the game) and then leave it. From their past attitude to achieving the best, it is abandonment of this aspect of the series. They're leaving the game to never improve it again. With your suggestion in mind, if you had a child but never promised to care for it, it wouldn't be abandonment if you walked out on it. That's ridiculous. When you attempt to produce something and don't see it finished, it is abandonment whether you want to admit it or not.

I'm happy for them to work on BoM, but their position would be a lot more credible if they had CloD polished to the gem it could be, with the relevant Sim-HQ second look review saying how far the sim has come along.

"Chivas, again you are selective in your approach. Graphical changes will not make the landscape any better. No nice hedgerows or anything. England and France aren't Russia."

I'm being selective?? Its you that being selective. I mentioned alot more than Graphical changes. As far as graphical changes go, there will be map making tools that should allow people to update the COD map, if that doesn't happen modders will change the map anyway with removal of trees and the addition of hedgerows. As far as aircraft go, and skins go there are enough aircraft to make historical missions for COD now, and you will be able to add other aircraft and skins as they become available thru the sequels, third parties, and modders.

IF the new IL-2 game engine is fixed. In a few years you will not recognize COD, just as BOB WOV slowly got fixed with the developers Merlin Engine, BDG group, and modders. The new IL-2 engine has the capability to far surpass anything in BOB WOV except for playing as the head of Luftwaffe or RAF which most people don't want to do anyway.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by kendo65

To be honest Klem, I think Philip is saying pretty much the same thing:

2) We do not plan to develop new content for CloD [rewritten for clarity]

is effectively the same as

"CloD is being abandoned, only to be improved collaterally with what ever changes happen to BoM"

Abandoned the same way IL-2 Forgotten Battles was abandoned..

As in once they made the sequel (that included IL-2 Forgotten Battles) the support (patches, new content, free updates of planes, maps, etc) moved to the sequel.

Put another way 1C did not continue to provide support (patches, new content, free updates of planes, maps, etc) for IL-2 Forgotten Battles once the sequel to IL-2 Forgotten Battles came out.

Which is the method 1C has said they are going to use with CoD on several ocations..

Yet a hand full of people 'choose' to ignore that fact.

[FG28_Kodiak]

Some people don't understand the difference between content and engine. Cliffs of Dover uses a modular system, there is the core engine and the bob content at the moment, but it should not be the problem to add a BoM content (Map, Groundunits and Planes) to the core engine. Even if there is a MMO based on the CloD-engine, they can use the Map, Groundunits and Planes independent from it in a sequel. The only way to get the development cost of the CloD-engine back, is to publish new addition for it.

[mazex]

This thread is of amazingly low discipline. Yesterday i posted some fresh stuff from Sukhoi that actually contained some information that was interesting, like the fact thay the Su-26 is NOT forgotten or out of scope from CloD.

What happens? The same people just keep on their never ending yapping about stuff we have heard thousands of times or personal attacks... If someone comes to this thread to find out if there are any new tidbits of information from Russia they will never find it.

/mazex

[FG28_Kodiak]

Hm, what does KFOR mean?
Blacksix? or any other of our russian friends?

[robtek]

here it is

http://www.nato.int/kfor/

Didn't know they were planning that far in the future