Speed graphs for Spitfire and Hurricane

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

umm yes they did, thats the problem, and no one here is denying the hurri is over modelled at the moment.

Then those who did the comparison, could possibly put their data on a graph, as B6 did? I did some random checks of the Hurricane I curves and I found interesting things. BTW what's the source of the Kwiatek speed/alt charts for Hurricanes ? And why they tell different figures?

[bw_wolverine]

I don't understand something.

Weeks and weeks ago, everyone was saying that the only aircraft that had historically accurate performance was the Spitfire IIa and that the other aircraft needed to have their performance increased as well.

Now, suddenly, because 1C has decided to reduce its performance, people are popping up saying that the Spitfire IIa was over modelled. And now that the Hurricane is being reduced, people are claiming that it has always been overmodelled as well.

What new historical research and findings appeared between those posts and these posts that has altered everyones views?

I personally think that the speed advantage of the spit 1 at high alt is great! I am looking forward to taking on the 109s now in my spitty.

[ElAurens]

Meh.

See you on the outskirts of Moscow, comrades.



At least the G.50 might be fun to fly after the patch.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

I don't understand something.

Weeks and weeks ago, everyone was saying that the only aircraft that had historically accurate performance was the Spitfire IIa and that the other aircraft needed to have their performance increased as well.

Now, suddenly, because 1C has decided to reduce its performance, people are popping up saying that the Spitfire IIa was over modelled. And now that the Hurricane is being reduced, people are claiming that it has always been overmodelled as well.

What new historical research and findings appeared between those posts and these posts that has altered everyones views?

The fact that the Hurricane was overmodelled was discussed before, you can find many posts about that, e.g.:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27311

As you see I "popped out" 6 months ago.

Cheers!

[Jatta Raso]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

I believe this is the case.

Red pilots are just going to have to deal with this and try to use tactics.

If you seriously fly red, then you should be circling back by Eastchurch and the Thames estuary climbing to at least 16,000ft and higher before heading into the combat area.

Otherwise, you get what you get.

for the sake of gameplay all servers must unrestrict Spits IIa, then if you fly blue you get what you get.

unless the blues wanna start shooting each other that is.. or the whole thing gets totally ruined; Spit Ia getting porked even further, i read it and i can't believe it.. seriously devs, GREAT JOB

[Flanker35M]

S!

To me the Hurricane seems not to lost that much, less than 20km/h from actual numbers compared to patch tests. So that is within piloting error. And again remember the game has problems above 7km altitude and up to that altitude Hurricane seems to be very close to actual numbers, even a bit faster at some point. As Hurricane (Rotol) is now, it is overmodelled and chart clearly shows that.

Spitfire is a bit strange but again within 20km/h, give or take and the higher you go the closer it is again. Maybe some tweaks are done to it?

I just wonder about this 100oct fuzz. You can not fly with that 12lbs all day long thus having those speeds at ALL times and altitudes. Even with 100oct you have a 100% value that is for sure NOT this 12lbs value. Same applies to Bf109E too, can't measure max speed at WEP.

And hopefully if they ever implement 12lbs the 5min limit will be done so that it is not a magic button that can be abused without overheat or damage. Bf109E has the WEP bug which is hopefully fixed soon. So there you go, no bias. Just want it accurately done. Like always, thanks for the update BlackSix.

[JTDawg]

It has never been about fair or historical!!! 1c has always gutted,FM when it came to allied planes--- just look at 46 fb ace ex pac pf. the russian an german planes always out climb out fly out turn out run. I can go on an on, But whats the point !!! they will always make the game this way,simply becouse they can't take a allied plane being better ,p51 p38 etc etc the list just keeps getting bigger!!! they might as well put jet packs on their planes to start with,even after hard evidence gets to them with real info.they ignore!! As the years go by,waiting for this new patch, Here is something to chew on, most people that buy this game an your others are mostly 30 to 60 years old!! showing me how your sequal is before you have this game fixed ,is not the smartest thing to do!!! shows your balls though!! but i will never buy your next game or anything else you put out till this game is fixed,!!! P.S. THIS POST WILL PROB. BE DELETED AS A NEY SAYER AGAINT THEIR BROKEN GAME , BUT KEEP SHOWING ME YOUR NEXT GAME TO RUB SALT IN THE WOUND THAT JUST KEEPS GETTING BIGGER!!! there use to be 3 number 1 lies no.1 I sent it out last week . no.2 the checks in the mail, no.3 i promise i won't cum in your mouth , and now you have given this group a new 1 . patch any day now lmao

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Weeks and weeks ago, everyone was saying that the only aircraft that had historically accurate performance was the Spitfire IIa and that the other aircraft needed to have their performance increased as well.

Now, suddenly, because 1C has decided to reduce its performance, people are popping up saying that the Spitfire IIa was over modelled. And now that the Hurricane is being reduced, people are claiming that it has always been overmodelled as well.

What new historical research and findings appeared between those posts and these posts that has altered everyones views?

None whatsoever.

I also found that the in-game Rotol Hurri performed almost identically to the data provided here;

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...ane/l2026.html

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Then those who did the comparison, could possibly put their data on a graph, as B6 did?

Yes pls, I did a Spitfire graph check between the one provided by B6 and the graph provided by Kwiatek and the performance line is equal of what is in the patch.

I just wasted my time on this, did you guys just put the graphs to rant without check or just you guys are doing lobbing for your favorite plane.

The Spitfire is porked just like the 109 is, and is caused by a FM that should be upgraded to provide different octanes and boost behaviors.

Anyway this thread is a trolls magnet so by now is useless.