Friday Update, April 13, 2012

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by MegOhm

One issue I see that has really never been answered to my knowledge (unless i missed it) is the fact the Spit is not very maneuverable on the ground. I can drive the 109 around like a sports car but the Spit just does not want to turn right.... I cannot be the only one seeing this... I do like taxiing as part of the process after start up. ...

Hope this was addressed

Did you check to see what the wind setting is, thats usually what prevents me from turning at times.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Let's put this one to bed shall we.

The Spitfire roll rate was improved dramatically with metal ailerons. The 109 could only out roll the Spitfire at low speeds, at high speeds it locked up. At present in the game the controls for the 109 don't seem to lock up anywhere near as much as they should. Hopefully this will get fixed.

I don't know if this graph represents fabric or metal ailerons


"The RAE reported: "At 400 m.p.h. the Me.109 pilot, pushing sideways with all his strength, can only apply 1/5 aileron, thereby banking 45 deg. in about 4 secs.; on the Spitfire also, only 1/5 aileron can be applied at 400 m.p.h., and again the time to bank is 45 deg. in 4 secs. Both aeroplanes thus have their rolling manoeuvrability at high speeds seriously curtailed by aileron heaviness."

I will come back to that, new to me!

These you call low speeds (200-310MPH) = (321-500Kmh)!???
I have rarely entered a turning fight at such high speeds...

This is awesome news, the Bf109 rolls like a FW190.... LOL!

If (and I repeat, "if") your graph is true, then our Bf109s are underperforming in the game right now!!!!!!


Nice one, I had the laugh of my life...
In all honesty, I have difficulty to believe that the Bf109 can roll that well, speechless!


~S~

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Martin77

Me 109 E:
"During what was later called the 'Battle of Britain', we flew the Messerschmitt Bf109E. The essential difference from the Spitfire Mark I flown at that time by the RAF was that the Spitfire was less manoeuvrable in the rolling plane. With its shorter wings (2 metres less wingspan) and its square-tipped wings, the Bf 109 was more manoeuvrable and slightly faster. (It is of interest that the English later on clipped the wings of the Spitfire.)
For us, the more experienced pilots, real manoeuvring only started when the slats were out. For this reason it is possible to find pilots from that period (1940) who will tell you that the Spitfire turned better than the Bf 109. That is not true. I myself had many dogfights with Spitfires and I could always out-turn them. This is how I shot down six of them."
- Erwin Leykauf, German fighter pilot, 33 victories. Source: Messerschmitt Bf109 ja Saksan Sotatalous by Hannu Valtonen; Hurricane & Messerschmitt, Chaz Bowyer and Armand Van Ishoven.

Me 109 E:
"Personally, I met RAF over Dunkirk. [During this] battle not a single Spitfire or Hurricane turned tighter than my plane. I found that the Bf 109 E was faster, possessed a higher rate of climb, but was somewhat less manouverable than the RAF fighters. Nevertheless, during the campaign, no Spitfire or Hurricane ever turned inside my plane, and after the war the RAF admitted the loss of 450 Hurricanes and Spitfires during the Battle of France." In the desert there were only a few Spitfires, and we were afraid of those because of their reputation from the Battle of Britain. But after we shot a couple of them down, our confusion was gone."
- Herbert Kaiser, German fighter ace. 68 victories.

"Unexperienced pilots hesitated to turn tight, bacause the plane shook violently when the slats deployed. I realised, though, that because of the slats the plane's stalling characteristics were much better than in comparable Allied planes that I got to fly. Even though you may doubt it, I knew it [Bf109] could manouver better in turnfight than LaGG, Yak or even Spitfire."
- Walter Wolfrum, German fighter ace. 137 victories.

Thanks for these quotes Martin, I only knew the first one!

~S~

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

Thanks for these quotes Martin, I only knew the first one!

~S~

You know this site?

Messerschmitt 109 - myths, facts and the view from the cockpit

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

I will come back to that, new to me!

These you call low speeds (200-310MPH) = (321-500Kmh)!???
I have rarely entered a turning fight at such high speeds...

This is awesome news, the Bf109 rolls like a FW190.... LOL!

If (and I repeat, "if") your graph is true, then our Bf109s are underperforming in the game right now!!!!!!




~S~

What's so great about 45 Degrees roll in two seconds? That's 16 seconds for a full 360 degrees roll. The FW-190 could do 180 degrees during those two seconds.

[335th_GRAthos]

It is twice the roll rate of the Spitfire (according to the graph posted)


@ V101 Tom: Thanks for the link, I did not know it!

~S~

[Osprey]

It appears there's a lot you don't know Grathos, you missed something in the graph but you've assumed to the benefit of the 109. What a surprise.......

The difference between you and I is that I am interested in the facts of the matter whereas you are interested in items that benefit the 109, ergo, you online. Please please please go away from here and spend your days on Kurfursts site which I am sure will have you most aroused.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Originally Posted by Ataros

Please run closed online beta test to see if CTDs are still present. If you run open beta with CTDs not fixed and tested as it sounds to me now (knowing Russian vague wording), you will be publicly crucified.

@ all
Do not hold your breath yet. Another 2 weeks might be needed for online CTDs tests and subsequent fix.

I just hope this showstopper is fixed.

[Chivas]

My read of the situation is that internal testing has gone very well and they are broadening the internal testing to more computers over the weekend or so. This suggests the patch has tested very well on a small group of computers. Things can always be missed, but it appears, they may not be show stoppers.

[GF_Mastiff]

Lol good good I`m in PLaya del Carmen right now I will be back just in time to beta test.