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02-10-2012, 10:24 PM
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Certainly a manual skin option for static aircraft/vehicles would be preferred so we can place stuff in there with a winter/desert skin on it  . Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 02-10-2012 at 10:38 PM. 
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02-11-2012, 06:46 AM
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Interesting thread! I've read almost all the posts just to realize that everyone has a good reason. Talking by myself I could live without Mods if the official team paid more attention to some subtle aspects of this game.
Realistic FM's and all related historical/technical stuff are very important, of course. But this is still a "game" (at least for me..), and games are intended for fun. In this sense I mean sound and image, basically. Yes, terrific sounds, amazing effects, etc. Like a Matinée  For example, I can not understand why that ugly smoke effect from damaged planes remains untouched all these years! Same for some engine sounds that remembers me a scooter instead of a fighter plane. Such things seems to me as easy to be implemented. I'm sure you can do that at a wink of an eye if you want. Then everyone would be satisfied, with realism, historical accuracy, immersion, fun, everything! Community would be joined again and we could experience a revival! You see, currently I have two game versions installed: .Official version, to play campaigns, etc, alone at home. .Modded version, to make vids and proudly show to my friends. Why not just one game? 
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02-11-2012, 07:25 AM
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The sound issue is quite easily explained: Daidalos has to do things "by the book" and adhere to copyrights and such things whereas what an individual does on his own PC is of no importance to anyone else. Which means TD just can't pick sound samples from "somewhere" and plug them in. The result could be an ugly copyright infringement and that would be the end of TD.
Remember TD signed a contract with 1C so we're bound by rules and regulations which we can't and won't break.
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02-11-2012, 09:36 AM
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Oscarito, we will be turning our attention to visuals/audio in the future (within the limits Thor has mentioned above). For the last 4.10/4.11 TD patches, we wanted to update the core features of the sim first.
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02-11-2012, 11:35 AM
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02-11-2012, 03:39 PM
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It is worth my time to try to make sure people see my point of view, which has always been that the negative impact that non-official mods have had on the IL2 Community and the IL2 sim itself makes them not worth spending time on except for those with self-serving motives. To some people IL2 Sturmovik is a historical flight sim, to others it is a game, to some it is a social network, and to others who enjoy making mods it is a hobby. That is all fine because IL2 can be all those things, but at times in the past members of some of those groups have put their interests forward at the expense of others. I was just reading a statement in another thread a modder made about decreasing the armor of tanks from their historical value in UP to "maintain game balance". That is a simple personal judgement call they have made there that can not be switched off by those flying UP. This is just like WD's big tirade about how HE thinks aircraft should overheat and his personal efforts to revert the overheating back to 4.10. True, even the official version of IL2 is a judgement call, but it is an official judgement call by it's creators or those given the authority to do so, it is as good or better a judgement call than any others out there, and it is the most important to rally around. For five years Bearcat you have tirelessly put energy into promoting mods on the UBI forum and you have tirelessly suppressed naysayers to serve your special interest. That is odd behavior for someone who considers it a waste of time huh? Last edited by Jumoschwanz; 02-11-2012 at 03:45 PM.
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#57
02-11-2012, 05:08 PM
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Free speech is a right not an obligation.
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02-11-2012, 06:38 PM
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" That is odd behavior for someone who considers it a waste of time huh? "
I think that Bearcat has the ability to sort of "stand on the moon" and observe from a distanced, far off neutral point the pros and the cons of something. Mods, no mods... The man might see both sides of the medal, could that be the case? choosing which side he wants depending on what he wants to do with the Program at a given time? And, is that not, sort of, wisdom? "True, even the official version of IL2 is a judgement call, but it is an official judgement call by it's creators or those given the authority to do so, it is as good or better a judgement call than any others out there, and it is the most important to rally around." Negative. IMO... negative. Over at the SAS there are a bunch of Dinosaurs ( tongue in cheek) that hold on to a 4.09 version. (with or without mods) If the official Version is "the most important one to rally around", that would at the moment be 4.11, right? so, are the 4.09 fans or the standard, 4.07 players making a mistake, are they veering off the right/official track, just like the modders do? For what ever their reasons are? are the people with 4.07/4.09 + mods even worse, even further, even farther from the official path, because they lack updates AND are screwing with the files? "The sim is modded and has been that way for at least the past 5 years, and will be that way from here on out therefore to even debate mods is a waste of time." Thats a good sentence... It leads to my question, an honest and innocent one: What exactly is the aim, the goal of this topic? Besides stating your position and opinion? Besides learning to appreciate your point of View and your arguments, i can not see how it should teach me something else. Topics like these were common, when the whole modding thing came "to the public". I have red them when... 2007? 2008? And never has anything been achieved, besides stating different opinions, and when the discussion derailed (not IF, more like WHEN - they almost always did) a moderator had to intervene. And that always sucks.
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02-11-2012, 06:52 PM
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WTF??!!! First off ...... I pretty much agree with much of what you have said and I have always stated as much even 3 years ago when I was still a mod at UBI. My contention has always been and will always be that it would have been best if the sim had not been hacked .. but it was ... and as I have said I will always roll with whatever is most compatible with the stock sim.. Had TD been created 4 years ago shortly after the hack, the whole mod debate could have taken a different turn... but you lost me at the end (not that it may matter to you ...) . HELLO!! I have not been a mod @ UBI for two years so get your facts straight and since that time I have not been @ UBI much. Secondly I never suppressed anything .. What was suppressed, and this after the whole argument was beaten to death, was the arguments over the pros and cons of mods that always turned into flame fests rife with insults and slander and were moot because the sim was modded. Period. I was not the one who banned you .. not that I recall anyway .. because I usually lifted bans pretty quickly and only issued them for obvious infractions .. not just disagreeing with me... I never rolled that way. Anyone I banned got banned for a reason and the fact that they may have disagreed with me on a particular subject was secondary to the reason for the ban. For you to bring that up now is mind boggling to me.. especially since as I said .. I have been a mod @ UBI for two years almost to the day. There is a better chance now for the stock sim to recapture a base that was lost to mods than at any time since this all started. So if stock is your thing is it not better to just promote that instead of complaining about something that will not change. The only thing that will change the mod situation to any substantial degree is for TD to continue to do what they are doing and incorporate as many of the features, many that were longtime requests from day one into the stock sim as long as they do not conflict legally or historically or compromise the standards of the sim set forth initially by 1C. Many of the things they have implemented have done just that. Quote:
So ....if you have an axe to grind with me then take it up in a PM from here on out... This discussion is going apace ... regardless to either your or my opinions .. it seems as if it is leaning towards not that mods are good or bad but what can make the sim better.. and we all seem to agree that making the stock sim more appealing is the answer, and that's a good thing. Last edited by Bearcat; 02-11-2012 at 07:00 PM.
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02-11-2012, 06:58 PM
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I went back to the first post, and picked a sentence, that i felt was the center of your opinion:
"Real IL2 aces and make do with what is given to them and fly the official patches without resorting to mods, hacks or cheats." Let me introduce you to the following. open your mind, just gimme five minutes. Look, there is "a Dude" here... let me fetch that link... here: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.ph...c,19365.0.html he did a lot of work on the P-47 Loadouts. concerning this very, very restricted topic of P-47 Loadouts, and the changes in Mission outcomes, by Bombing strafing and aerial Kills... who is closer to the absolute truth? Ammo-wise. and ONLY about Ammo. Is this re-shuffling of Information, the application of that info in the game, is that, as you say - a Cheat? Is it a Hack? I am not out to pull you to the dark side. I do not want to convince you. What i want, is to show you that not all of the modding work done is evil. If you understand what has been changed to the P-47, if you by any chance happen to agree: these changes are not official, but, they are reasonable, you might possibly understand why Bearcat can appreciate, or tolerate Mods. Because Storebror took a Thunderbolt, and spent some time to learn about the plane, and learn how to bring that Plane a bit closer to reality. Virtual reality. You do not have to agree that mods are good. But maybe you can understand that mods are not always "hacks and cheats" by intention.
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