4.11 F4U Performance

[sawyer692]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

I asked for relevant arguments...that's all. Many guys have come up with loads in hard facts which is swell..you can't say that you presented "real world dara".. you just went by I qoute ""feel" of the new models and comparison how the FM was in 4.101. That does not say much about real performance.

Regarding people having hard time to take off... I have always suspected that the carriers have the wrong dimensions e.g too small, maybe as much as 10-15%... this could be a reason to the difficulties if correct

couldn't find a picture on Enterprise from the game but think and compare yourselves

I feel relevent arguments have been made. Take a look at the video in post #17. That guy took off from midship with at least a drop tank. Granted we won't know the carrier's speed or his fuel load but, that take off can not be repicated in the game. That is a real world relevent argument. Set up the scenario and try it (btw the top speed of the Saratoga/Lexington was 33.25 knots).

Additionally, a Zero could never pull away from a corsair or a Hellcat. That's common knowledge.

My hope is this will be fixed and the "fun factor" of these planes restored.

The idea of the carriers not being modeled at a realistic length is a valid point that may need to be explored....

Another relevent argument: Thursday night, my squad ran a campaign with 12 Corsairs taking off from a carrier with various load outs. We ran 3 mission. 36 individual take offs without a single mishap on takeoff. That is how people trained in a Corsair can operate. To say we don't know what we're talking about is just sweeping us under the rug.

Anyone posting further regarding these plane should TRY them out first. Don't simple blame a lack of knowledge with prop pitch, powerband, radiator, or supercharger settings. WE know these planes, it's what we do.

[F19_Klunk]

Sweet mother of Joe.

Sawyer, when did I adress you about lack of evidence? You have come up with load of info which is GREAT, my only point was ANOTHER person's lack of facts other than his "feel".... undelsss u are the same person

now back to the discussin.. PLEASE!

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by sawyer692

The idea of the carriers not being modeled at a realistic length is a valid point that may need to be explored....

It is not.

[F19_Klunk]

Now.. I went in and checked the size of the carriers.. It is a well known fact that we have always had a hard time with corsairs taking off from carriers, more so in 4.11 than before.

I took a screen from USS Lexington from the game to compare with the real Lexington, When it comes to the width of the carrier, you can fit 2 wildats next to eachtother.. maybe 2 and wreck ...

Now if we compare with this photo you can clearly see 4!!! Wildcats next to eachother.. wing unfolded...

If we take this comparison and apply it on the lenght of the carrier, it is likely that we might have the same size aspect, which would mean that we have Way to small carriers in Il2...
This would be nice if it was adressed. . I can't see how TD would resize all ships.. so.. something else has to be done.. I guess with FMs of carrierborne airplanes

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

It is not.

well.... maybe the airplanes wings on the picture are interlaced then?

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

If we take this comparison and apply it on the lenght of the carrier, it is likely that we might have the same size aspect, which would mean that we have Way to small carriers in Il2...

Size of the carriers in the game is exact to their RL specs. Period.


Regarding your photo: a) planes on the photo are SBD, TBD and F2A (on the nose); b) they positioned on the deck in a "checker" pattern. It is clearly visible from the photo, that if those planes were positioned in a line wingtip to wingtip, only two of them would fit on deck in width. In the case of TBD even 2 of them won't fit.

[MadBlaster]

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I made this a while back. Can't really remember how I did it though.

[AndyJWest]

How exactly does a picture comparing two rows of Wildcats lined up wingtip to wingtip with another one with four rows staggered with overlapped wings, and with the outer aircraft right on the edge of the deck, actually prove anything?

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

How exactly does a picture comparing two rows of Wildcats lined up wingtip to wingtip with another one with four rows staggered with overlapped wings, and with the outer aircraft right on the edge of the deck, actually prove anything?

I think the question is answered by Saqson .. thank you.

[sawyer692]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

Sweet mother of Joe.

Sawyer, when did I adress you about lack of evidence? You have come up with load of info which is GREAT, my only point was ANOTHER person's lack of facts other than his "feel".... undelsss u are the same person

now back to the discussin.. PLEASE!

See post #36 on page 4. I mentioned "feel" as well.

"Evidence", "relevent arguments" - apples and apples man.

We are not the same person, however Sailor flys with me a few times a week and has a great deal of time in the Corsair.

We are giving you guys feedback. If it's not wanted, just say the word.

This patch really is awesome, perfect in fact, with the exception of the capabilities of our Navy planes.