Bf109 information, lighting a fuse and running for cover!

[5./JG27.Farber]

Discuss-

http://www.scientistsandfriends.com/aircraft.html

[ElAurens]

I hope you have a proper license for this fishing expedition.

[Sven]

You've done it now...

I couldn't even look at that page for more then 5 seconds, until I spotted that picture and video where I saw 'it'

Then I closed the tab as quickly as I could.

[ElAurens]

Nice Merlin powered 109...

Also lots of bogus numbers on the chart.

Like I said, fishing expedition.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Im not promoting it. I just wondered what people thought, especially the small percentile of Aeroengineers etc we have amongst us... Not the laymen such as I.

[Al Schlageter]

The first production Bf109G didn't begin coming off the production line til June 1942. Even the number produced is wrong. Must have been using that modern day Goebbels web site for info.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

The link is not working for me.. Is it the link that shows the IL-2 Bf-109K-4 has a climb rate that is 30% better than the real life Bf-109K-4?

[Faustnik]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

The link is not working for me.. Is it the link that shows the IL-2 Bf-109K-4 has a climb rate that is 30% better than the real life Bf-109K-4?

I done think the 109 in this link has a Mercedies engine.

The pilot said that the 109 was lighter that the p-51 and the center gun was good. That makes sence. Nothing what we have read about before.

One 109 kills 17 Spit in 8 min. Thats funny. .


(sorry about the poor righting. I'm working on it.)

[CaptainDoggles]

A lot of misleading statements on that website, like this gem:

The P-51 could not be yawed and had to be flown at the target for its bullets to hit the target.

Or perhaps this one:

Because of the fantastic handling characteristics of the Me109, the P-51 was not match for the Me109.

Making a blanket statement of two contemporary fighters like this is almost always false. I think at high altitude the two fighters were probably rather well-matched, but it's hard to make an accurate judgment because by 1944 the Luftwaffe was in a sorry state and I can't imagine many engagements occurred on equal terms. More likely the USAAF were gang-banging the Luftwaffe fighters from above with superior numbers.

Certainly as an interceptor the Bf 109 is far superior, and much data exists to support this conclusion. Similarly the P-51's design suits it well as an escort fighter. Plentiful small-calibre ammunition and lots of fuel. Its job is to force the interceptors down, away from the bombers it is protecting. Kills are a bonus.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

but it's hard to make an accurate judgment because by 1944 the Luftwaffe was in a sorry state and I can't imagine many engagements occurred on equal terms. More likely the USAAF were gang-banging the Luftwaffe fighters from above with superior numbers.

I agree with everything you said.. except that above

It is a bit of a myth.. Not saying that never happened, only that it was not the case in all cases

First thing you have to consider is that it is harder to play defence.. The US planes had to out number the enmy because they had to cover the B17s from all sides.. Left, Right, Rear, and Front.. Where as the Lw would gather up all thier planes and make an attack from one of those sides..

For example, say there were 100 escorts and only 40 enemy planes attacking

The 100 would be split up into 25 rear, 25 left, 25 right, and 25 front.. So if the Lw attacked with all 40 planes from the left.. it would result in a 40 vs 25 fight.. Now conisder that most of these fights only lasted a few min.. It was over by the time the other three groups would make their way over to the fight

So, in that case you can see that 'per fight' it was not allways the case that the Lw was out numbered.. As in 5 US vs 1 Lw.. If anything it was the other way around

And before anyone jumps me here.. Note I am not saying this was the case in every case.. All I am pointing out is the idea a Lw 109 fighter was allways outnumbered (jumped by 4 or more Mustangs) in every case is a myth