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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

The EF would have been an awesome plane - if it was out in the 90s...
Let's sum it up:

- it's over 10 years late

So? What do you want, a new multi-role jet every 5 years? It was designed with longevity in mind. The F-18 is 25 years old, yet you don't hear a lot of people complaining about it (and let's not even look at the F-15 or F-16..).

- has no stealth capabilities

has less stealth capabilities than an F-22 maybe, but it has a good stealth level.

- way too expensive

is it? Compared to what exactly? Last time I checked an F-22 price tag it didn't come cheaper than an EF.

- it's 2011, yet there's still no thrust vectoring

Yeah, too bad that thrust vectoring doesn't really serve much of a purpose, other than doing fancy manouvres at an airshow..

This plane is friggin joke. On the other hand, it's the perfect weapon to scare the crap out of some 3rd world countries...
Too bad the "Allied" didn't lose any over Libya.

your conclusion is somehow despicable. And for the record, the US lost several "stealth" jets, most notably an F-117 over Serbia..

Rumor has it it came out as the favorite of the swiss airforce, they evaluated the EF, Rafale and Grippen.
Should that prove to be true, for the time in my life I'll join the lefties and vote it down.

for once Switzerland could be good and give back some of the money they robbed over the last 100 years, so let's hope they buy them yes.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

No matter what role it dresses up in, EADS, SEADS, CASCOM, IRST or DASS its still a flop as a multi role ac compared to its contemporaries.

I'm sorry man, but you can appreciate that without any evidence of what you say, your sentence can hardly be taken seriously.

It was purely an exercise in how much tax payers money can be wasted on an obsolete ac design.

same as above.

Too many fingers were allowed into this pie, it took too long to develop and went way over its budget, result out of date over priced ac.

I agree about the fingers and the development time, but it's a jet with a HUGE longevity ahead of it. Let's not forget that we still fly our Tornadoes and there are jets that are more than 30 years old on the lines.

Turning with a Spit proves what ?
It can turn with a Spit in a high Speed turn ...yippee

that you don't need thrust vectoring to show off at an airshow

You wont see this ac in such combat manoeuvres.

Of course IMHO



Edit:
Woops just seen swiss's post same thoughts as mine.

yeah, one kinda wonders what you guys think would be better than an EF, an F-35 maybe? The most expensive piece of military equipment ever developed and not even finished yet? mmmmmh

[pupo162]

well, to be fair the eurifighter typhon is probably th eonly jet fighter i find good looking.

regarding its effectivness, really dont know, really dont care.

[JG52Krupi]

F-15 is still the best modern fighter IMHO.

The Eurofighter is not that bad an aircraft its just too late for the show...

[MD_Titus]

stern - good posts.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by pupo162

well, to be fair the eurifighter typhon is probably th eonly jet fighter i find good looking.

regarding its effectivness, really dont know, really dont care.

Yes I agree it looks good

I care about its effectiveness, my taxes paid for it.

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

stern - good posts.

Lol

Poor effort at the best from him.

Conclusions

What conclusions can we draw about the Typhoon? The notion that the aircraft is “almost as good as an F-22” is not supportable, indeed upgrading the F-15 with engines and a radar/IRS&T/AAM package of the same generation as that of the Typhoon would equalise almost all advantages held by the Typhoon over older F-15C/E variants. By the same token, no upgrades performed on the F/A-18A/C would equalise the performance advantages of the Typhoon over these aircraft.

The strength of the Typhoon is its very modern and comprehensive avionic package, especially that in the RAF variant, and its excellent agility when operated around its optimum combat radius of about 300 NMI (a figure to be found in older Eurofighter literature, which has since disappeared with the export drive to compete against the bigger F-15 and F-22).

The Typhoon's weaknesses are its F/A-18C class weight and thrust and the implications of this in combat at extended operational radii, and the longer term sensitivity of its BVR weapons advantage to equivalent technological developments in opposing fighters.

In terms of where to position the Typhoon in the current menagerie of fighter aircraft, it can be best described as an F/A-18C sized fighter with BVR systems and agility performance better than older F-15 models, similar to growth F-15 models with same generation systems and engines, but inferior to the F-15 in useful operating radius. The Typhoon is not a stealth aircraft, despite various assertions to this effect, nor is it a genuine supercruiser like the F-22. Its design incorporates none of the features seen in very low observable types, nor does the EJ200 incorporate the unique design features of the F119 and F120 powerplants.

The Typhoon is certainly not a lemon, although the wisdom of mass producing a high performance conventional fighter of its ilk in a period where stealth is about to hit mass production in the F-22 and JSF programs could be seriously questioned. It represents what is likely to be the last major evolutionary step in the teen series design philosophy.


Have a read here see what you think, a non USA UK opinion

http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-Typhoon.html

IMHO its a waste of taxpayers money, out dated and hugely over budget.

Still its useful for this sort of stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ9X9A2efA

[jg27_mc]

Originally Posted by swiss

...Too bad the "Allied" didn't lose any over Libya...

Are you serious?

I do like Spitfires (fav WWII airplane along with the P51 on the allied side) and more or less indifferent to the Eurofighter, my favorite machines are the Su27 (something special about this bird ) and the F16 on the western side.

Regards.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Lol

Poor effort at the best from him.

Have a read here see what you think, a non USA UK opinion

http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-Typhoon.html

I'm sorry, but that article has absolutely no value whatsoever. It doesn't make sense to compare the F-22 to the Eurofighter, they come from two drastically different mindsets and specifications.

But let's think about it in a term of "air dominance fighter": would you have a jet like the Eurofighter, produced in Europe, giving work to hundreds of thousands of people here, being exported and offering a more than valid match to any modern fighter jet out there, OR would you have a costly US fighter, which has a higher cost per unit, comes with crazy loan schemes and costly maintenance, favouring the American economy and industry?

I would understand an Australian pondering which one they would rather buy, but a member of the Eurofighter consortium should be well proud of what we achieved here (especially if you consider that its conceptual father, the EAP, was an all English project).

Besides you need to consider operational costs and tactical use of the plane, how many Su35 are you expecting to find out there? Truth is that we produce the best quality for value aeroplane, and breaking into the market with such a product, taking customers away from the US, is a big result.

[JG52Uther]

With the money the UK has to spend over the next few years of recession, a couple of Cessnas with 20lb Cooper bombs would have been more appropriate...

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry, but that article has absolutely no value whatsoever.

Lol

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

With the money the UK has to spend over the next few years of recession, a couple of Cessnas with 20lb Cooper bombs would have been more appropriate...

Bingo

Its already on display in a Museum.............. taken May 2010