The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[Jumpy]

Originally Posted by T_O_A_D

It would be nice if NG would drop their attitude for future games or additions to newer products by Oleg.

I don't think that Arms manufacturers see themselves as in the business of being "nice." It's all about money, it's all about money. it's all abou.....
I just thought about something funny, what do you think? A lady once told me proudly that her son was a lawyer, to which I replied: "Oh, couldn't he find honest work?"

[Buster_Dee]

The hole NG argument is so foolish. A software facsimile can not possibly perform functions of real life, so how can it threaten or abuse anything. Now, if we created a complete dog that looked SOMETHING like a NG product, then I can see them being upset. I sometimes think they are oblivious to all their engineers who got their start making models. Sounds like free marketing to me.

If I dress up like a brownie, that doesn't make me one. If I claim I am, who can be so duped as to believe it. If it makes someone hungry for the real thing, you don't hear the baker complaining.

Well, most bakers....

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Buster_Dee

The hole NG argument is so foolish. A software facsimile can not possibly perform functions of real life, so how can it threaten or abuse anything. Now, if we created a complete dog that looked SOMETHING like a NG product, then I can see them being upset. I sometimes think they are oblivious to all their engineers who got their start making models. Sounds like free marketing to me.

If I dress up like a brownie, that doesn't make me one. If I claim I am, who can be so duped as to believe it. If it makes someone hungry for the real thing, you don't hear the baker complaining.

Well, most bakers....

Indeed it is foolish. Nobody said that the legal system plus corporate greed made any sense either. It's not even a matter of threatening their competitive place in the market... their whole thing is about the portrayal of stuff that they know own. Why not charge licensing fees to get some more cash... That's how they operate. Anything for the almighty dollar because that is good for shareholders.

[scott_fitz96]

To be honest, I'm completely baffled by the whole thing. There are already Grumman aircraft in-game... F4F and F6F namely... so why have they not been withdrawn or something in accordance with this "agreement"?

And then you have to wonder about all the other big aircraft manufacturers - Supermarine, Hawker, Avro, de Havilland, Messerschmitt, Focke-Wulf, Mitsubishi, Boeing, Consolidated, Lockheed - okay, most of them don't exist anymore. But one wonders why they haven't taken a similar approach to their aircraft being replicated in a computer game?

Now, either I'm a total noob and missed something, or I'm not quite understanding this issue... just my 2 cents worth.

Tally-ho,
Scott.

[NukeItFromOrbit]

Originally Posted by Viking

A US defence contractor that lives and thrives on the hate and fear of the American population will coop with a Russian war games maker??
Dont make me laugh!

"Lives and thrives on the hate and fear of the American population"???

There are many good people working for Northrop Grumman and they still make some damn impressive aircraft and systems today. Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW.

If this is true, it is completely wrong of NG and their lawyers to take advantage of 1C like that, and it was wrong of Ubisoft to allow it to happen. Yet this is typical corporate behavior and shouldn't reflect on the engineers, workers, and others at NG.

It seems strange that certain aircraft like the F4F and F6F would be allowed under this "agreement" yet all others not allowed without fees. Also, Xilon's post refererenced the B-29 which is a Boeing, not Northrop or Grumman, aircraft.

[Viking]

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing."
Or worse to work for it.

As for the "Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW" I can asure you that WE dont!

Viking

An interesting distinction is made here between photographs/art (note the requirements) and everything else. I would imagine you are free to request further information from the contact listed if you feel the need ...

http://www.northropgrumman.com/ipm/tmpolicy.html


Another interesting point: " ...Grumman, as the manufacturer, owns the trademarks (e.g. "F-14", "Corsair") in the vehicles it makes." Since it didn't design or develop the F4U and only briefly owned part of Vought in the '90s, this must refer to the F2G which they did develop. Another lost aircraft ...

[HundertneunGustav]

dont worry... the ace combat and hawX peeps manage to get Tomcats in their games... and i bet they dont pay any fees either.
if the grumman stuff is stuffed for now, we canstill have these planes... just not from the parties involved in the discussed issue here. (which... IS... an issue.)
and with proper, neutral cover art and packaging.

[Xilon_x]

sorry my ignorance to american airplane N.Grumman how many airplane made in U.S. N.G. missing in il-2? what is the + + important? what is the type and model? you have the list? not all airplane only northrop grumman.
expecialy american airplane worked in europe during ww2.

[Fighterace]

I still dream of more NG aircraft being added to IL-2 1946 some day