Tempest max speed

[Brain32]

Seriously tho guys, the Tempest isnt what I would call an 'easy flier' when compared to, for example, the Me109F4, The La5 or the Spifire IX.

Well having twice their weight I'm not terribly suprised however in-game it most certainly isn't far from them and still handles better than "only" 1 - 1,5ton lighter planes, no wonder the nose wobbles when the plane if flying like a feather...although it's 5 tons heavy

I found playing online servers that most popular planes Fw 190 D-9 is much more faster at full throttle altitude then it should.

You are correct D9 '44 is some 20-25kmh too fast at best alt.
But if you want to talk about popular and too fast, P51D is another example where at it's best alt also reaches 728kmh instead of 705kmh, so it's kinda "tit for tat" situation in that regards...
IRL Tempest outperformed FW190A because it was faster, climbed better, dived better and zoomed better, just like in-game although IRL Tempest didn't have any turn advantage over FW190A, in-game it can turn with late high power 109's down to like 240kmh, no problem while it can declass any FW without problems...
I wonder why Closterman said to his squaddies not to turn with 109's below 300MPH(482,8kmh), he and the others must have been really crappy pilots comparing to il2 aces...
I wonder what would happen if FW's could do that to Spitfires or Lavochkins ROFL - poor Oleg

[mondo]

Originally Posted by Brain32

I wonder why Closterman said to his squaddies not to turn with 109's below 300MPH(482,8kmh), he and the others must have been really crappy pilots comparing to il2 aces...

Because in real life you take all precautions because you only get one life?

[HR_Zunzun]

Originally Posted by Brain32

Well having twice their weight I'm not terribly suprised however in-game it most certainly isn't far from them and still handles better than "only" 1 - 1,5ton lighter planes, no wonder the nose wobbles when the plane if flying like a feather...although it's 5 tons heavy

I wonder why Closterman said to his squaddies not to turn with 109's below 300MPH(482,8kmh), he and the others must have been really crappy pilots comparing to il2 aces...
I wonder what would happen if FW's could do that to Spitfires or Lavochkins ROFL - poor Oleg

I wonder why Evan Mackie wrote that:

The Tempest could not compete with the Hun in a climb, but could outdive them with ease and compare favourably in the turn. One particular combat with a long-nosed FW 190, took place at 3,000 feet on a clear day, uninterrupted by either flak or other aircraft. Using + 11 boost and 3,750 rpm, the Tempest would almost get into a position to fire after about 3 complete turns, when the Hun would throttle back completely and disobey the golden rule of not changing bank, by stall turning the opposite way, thus almost meeting the Tempest head-on or at least at a big angle. Thus the Hun made a very elusive and formidable target, for executing this manoeuvre for the fourth time, he managed to take a big deflection shot at the Tempest as it went steaming past.


Every pilots has own experience. None of the quotes I have red about the Tempest//109-190 relative turn performance said it couldnt turn with either of them (not saying the opposite though). My experience in the game mimic those quotes.

otoh I will agree you in respect that I would give away some turn performance (correct or not) for a proper 11lbs with full all aroun visibility tempest.

[Brain32]

Highly interesting story, but first he obviously ran 11lbs Tempest, but even then I find one thing pretty interesting, if you just outturned an enemy AC, how can that same allegedly outturned AC just bank the opposite way and meet you head-on?
Su-35 maybe but a FW190?

Anyway...it is what it is, I just find it funny when people say Tempest is hard to manouver lol

[HR_Zunzun]

Originally Posted by Brain32

Highly interesting story, but first he obviously ran 11lbs Tempest, but even then I find one thing pretty interesting, if you just outturned an enemy AC, how can that same allegedly outturned AC just bank the opposite way and meet you head-on?
Su-35 maybe but a FW190?

Anyway...it is what it is, I just find it funny when people say Tempest is hard to manouver lol

If you try to manouver at low speed yes but above 400kph is a dream. Morever, I usually got my kills by slashing attacks (turning is of not use here). Having more or less turn performance wouldnt change much (save the deffensive but, once again, I rather run than turn).

[Peccator]

Try running WEP, 90% throttle, and radiators fully closed. And then TRIM your plane to fly straight and level (check your slip/slide ball). If you can't get at least 600 km/h (370 mph), you are doing something wrong. Also, the plane can run for quite awhile like this without over-heating; and even when it does overheat, you can run for quite awhile without damaging your engine. If you need the extra punch, give it more throttle, but it will overheat quickly if you do so.

I've managed to outrun Dora's on the deck with these settings. I don't think the tempest is faster than the 190's but if I'm not losing E due to radiators, improper trim, and overuse of the controls, it makes a huge difference.

If you think of the plane as an allied equivalent of a 190 instead of as a 109 or spitfire, you will probably be more impressed with the plane.

[Lo0n]

at what pitch setting there?

[Peccator]

100% Prop pitch.

This was online, so not the best test conditions. I just tried it offline and I could only do ~590km/h on the deck. I must've been in a slight dive online.

BTW, I don't really understand why people give high speed data at mid or high altitude. I don't know about you all, but I tend to run away on the deck much more often than I run away at 5000 meters.

[HR_Zunzun]

Originally Posted by Peccator

100% Prop pitch.

This was online, so not the best test conditions. I just tried it offline and I could only do ~590km/h on the deck. I must've been in a slight dive online.

BTW, I don't really understand why people give high speed data at mid or high altitude. I don't know about you all, but I tend to run away on the deck much more often than I run away at 5000 meters.

Better run at 2000-3000m. At this height it is faster than any 109 or 190. It they still close in by diving on you (heigh advantage) you still got those 2000m for diving or manouvering.

[dflion]

I thought I would put my observations into this debate on flying the Tempest in IL2.
I have found that proper 'prop pitch management', use of the radiator settings to stop overheating, turning on the supercharger over 10,000 feet and height and speed in a dive are the major factors in successfully flying the Tempest.
I think Oleg has modelled the Tempest very faithfully in the game. It is a handful to fly (as Pierre Clostermann found out) and takes practice to master.

I have just been testing one of my missions, flying the Tempest, from my new 65 mission 'offline' campaign based on the career of Roland Beaumont from his book 'My Part of the Sky' (releasing in February on Mission4 Today). In this mission I 'sealed the fate' of two Long nose Focke-Wulfs very quickly, then went on and shot down a Me262 coming into land at Rheine-Hopsten, with my No2 following me faithfully.
I have got a copy of the 'Tempest V Pilot's Notes' and there is no doubt that Oleg has modelled our game Tempest on the '9lb version'.

Thanks for puting in the quote from Roland Beaumont flying his Tempest 'Buzzsaw', after finishing this campaign based on his WWII career, I have come to realise what an exceptional pilot he was, who obviously enjoyed flying to the max.

DFLion