The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Had the Germans not been humiliated like they were after WW1, their morale wouldn't have been so down (let's not forget that in the 20s German industry was back with its pre-war glory), their economy wouldn't have been crippled, so they wouldn't have needed a political and military revenge

Are you a modern day Nazi? (I'm not even being tongue in cheek)

Yes you can argue that the treaty wasn't fair, but WW1 itself was hardly fair was it - millions of people (on all sides) died, so it's understandable that nice and cute fairness has been lost. To then use an unfair treaty as an excuse for the mass genocide in WWII is laughable. We can look at the treaty to see why Germany went to war, but if you think that economic hardship excuses the slaughter of millions of people you need help.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by SEE

Europe is bound together for the better! Germans are fine, as are Italians, Brits, Russians, the whole lot. Sad to see some of the comments TBH.

Agreed.

[senseispcc]

In these days/years there was to must blood (people) and to little money so the solution was war.
Is it not the same these days?!

[robtek]

What agenda are you driving Triggaaar???

Nobody tried to excuse anything!!

Your position/self-image must be poor to be swinging the "Nazi-bludgeon" so early in this thread.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Hitler was extremely short tempered, had he arranged things better, making sure that a suitable invasion flottilla was ready, he would have steamrolled his way all the way up North.. Let's not forget how much they advanced in Russia and how close they got to Moscow, do you really think that, had they really wanted to invade Britain, the Channel or the Royal Navy would have stopped them?

Yes, that is what I think.

The Battle of Britain was a draw. Nobody ever won it.

You are clearly deluded.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by robtek

What agenda are you driving Triggaaar???

I am interested in reality and understanding. I just stumbled on this thread and was amazed at the posts in the first 6 pages.

Nobody tried to excuse anything!!

That's not how it looks to me.

Your position/self-image must be poor to be swinging the "Nazi-bludgeon" so early in this thread.

No, pretty modest and self effacing self image. Just can't get my head around a couple of the views here, one of which basically says that if you make a country pay for their crime then it's your fault when they commit another.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Are you a modern day Nazi? (I'm not even being tongue in cheek)

Yes you can argue that the treaty wasn't fair, but WW1 itself was hardly fair was it - millions of people (on all sides) died, so it's understandable that nice and cute fairness has been lost. To then use an unfair treaty as an excuse for the mass genocide in WWII is laughable. We can look at the treaty to see why Germany went to war, but if you think that economic hardship excuses the slaughter of millions of people you need help.

Thank you so much for your intelligent and accurate analysis.

I should have been offended when I read you calling me a modern day Nazi, fortunately it's evident that you're not capable to endure a mature historical conversation, so I won't even bother giving it any consideration.

[kendo65]

You're unfortunately a little late to the party Triggaaar.

The first 6 pages are probably the worst - it improves a lot after Page 36 or so

By the way Sternjaeger is apparently Italian and lives in the UK. edited: cheapshot

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by kendo65

You're unfortunately a little late to the party Triggaaar.

I must be american

The first 6 pages are probably the worst - it improves a lot after Page 36 or so

Yes it must get better - only read the first dozen pages.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Thank you so much for your intelligent and accurate analysis.

You're welcome.

I should have been offended when I read you calling me a modern day Nazi, fortunately it's evident that you're not capable to endure a mature historical conversation, so I won't even bother giving it any consideration.

I find your ealier posts shocking:

Originally Posted by bongodriver

So Germany invading the rest of europe was not an act of war?

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Bongo, the Treaty of Versailles is considered THE long term cause of WW2, the impositions were just ridiculous (mostly imposed by France)

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Considered by whom? the Germans.......

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

the German empire had a long, glorious heritage, and the German pride was a transversal feeling that put together the peasant with the noble. The humiliation and the impossible economic demands of Versailles were a provocative humiliation.

Germany went to war and killed millions on innocent people, including genocide, and in your posts you don't blame Germany, you blame the Treaty of Versailles (and I'm aware that other nations have waged war over the years too, but here we're just discussing WW1 & 2).

I can't get my head round that. Justilfying or defending what happened led to me thinking of you as a modern day Nazi.

It's one thing to say that looking back you can see how the treaty was so restrictive that Germany would become unstable, but to actually say that the cause of the war was the treaty rather than evil people is ridiculous, and if people were taught that at school you can see how it could lead to radical movement.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

I must be american
Yes it must get better - only read the first dozen pages.

You're welcome.
I find your ealier posts shocking:



Germany went to war and killed millions on innocent people, including genocide, and in your posts you don't blame Germany, you blame the Treaty of Versailles (and I'm aware that other nations have waged war over the years too, but here we're just discussing WW1 & 2).

I can't get my head round that. Justilfying or defending what happened led to me thinking of you as a modern day Nazi.

It's one thing to say that looking back you can see how the treaty was so restrictive that Germany would become unstable, but to actually say that the cause of the war was the treaty rather than evil people is ridiculous, and if people were taught that at school you can see how it could lead to radical movement.

I strongly, strongly suggest you read the whole thread before posting and warming up arguments that have been discussed ad infitintum and throwing around insults. So far you did not provide anything that has not been said before.