The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

selfishness = thinking of yourself above others, akin to nacissism etc

appreciating the actions of another is not selfish.......what's so strange

we obviously have a very different notion of the word "proud" then. Otherwise I really cannot follow your logic.

Most people I talk to that claim to be proud of the deeds of others just do that: try to put themselves on a higher podest than others ("WE did this and that" saying just "YOU are not equal in this") while using the deeds of others for just that. Now how this should be something applaudable I cannot understand.

EDIT: Please take a dictionary and check the words "to appreciate" and "to be proud of". According to mine they have a completely different meaning. For me "to be proud of" is the opposite of "to be ashamed of". The first expresses a feeling of superiority, the other the opposite. This has nothing to do with "to appreciate"

What part don't I get? Winning wars doesn't make you right. It just means that you're less likely to face justice for your crimes.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Of course you don't know, but first of all it was not about regaining the whole French Nation, it was about Alsace Lorraine. I don't know how many wars have been fought between France and Germany about it.

Well I guess at some point you lost it....bo hoo!, get over it....oh sorry you can't have lost apparently, you must have made some carefully deliberated plan where you allowed a set number of combatants to die before just giving up in a fashion that really meant a draw.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

What part don't I get? Winning wars doesn't make you right. It just means that you're less likely to face justice for your crimes.

The Point was when the Nazis would have won the war, there would be no one left who would dare to say that they are the bad ones.

Example:
If the UK would have been invaded, every Labour or Conservative and every one with an other oppinion would have been killed or dissapered in some Death Camp!
And Mosley and his BNP would have taken care of the rest, like Petain did in Vichy.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Of course you don't know, but first of all it was not about regaining the whole French Nation, it was about Alsace Lorraine. I don't know how many wars have been fought between France and Germany about it.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I guess at some point you lost it....bo hoo!, get over it....oh sorry you can't have lost apparently, you must have made some carefully deliberated plan where you allowed a set number of combatants to die before just giving up in a fashion that really meant a draw.

What the f...k are you talking about? More and more i become the feeling, that you are a heavily mentally disabled person.

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

The Point was when the Nazis would have won the war, there would be no one left who would dare to say that they are the bad ones.

Example:
If the UK would have been invaded, every Labour or Conservative and every one with an other oppinion would have been killed or dissapered in some Death Camp!
And Mosley and his BNP would have taken care of the rest, like Petain did in Vichy.

Sorry, that is absurd. Despots never ever kill all their enemies.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

we obviously have a very different notion of the word "proud" then. Otherwise I really cannot follow your logic.

Most people I talk to that claim to be proud of the deeds of others just do that: try to put themselves on a higher podest than others ("WE did this and that" saying just "YOU are not equal in this") while using the deeds of others for just that. Now how this should be something applaudable I cannot understand.

EDIT: Please take a dictionary and check the words "to appreciate" and "to be proud of". According to mine they have a completely different meaning. For me "to be proud of" is the opposite of "to be ashamed of". The first expresses a feeling of superiority, the other the opposite. This has nothing to do with "to appreciate"

I won't be taking your advise but thanks anyway, I know what they mean.

what is so applaudable about bragging you are the best in x/y, I would feel pretty ashamed if I claimed to be a better person than someone else, thats just like claiming to be of a master race.....

so you went to uni....big deal, I don't feel proud of the things I have achieved because they were just stuff that needed to be done, now if someone else were to feel proud of my achievements then I would just feel gratefull for the sentiment, pride can be a form of appreciation if it is projected at anothers deeds.

some people need to look outside of the dictionary and realise there is some creative licence allowed.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

What the f...k are you talking about? More and more i become the feeling, that you are a heavily mentally disabled person.

more and more you prove that you are just a rude little person without the mental capacity to maintain a conversation without resorting to insults.

[fruitbat]

Concerning BoB, from the British side it was a victory because it stopped a perceived invasion, from the German side it was a draw, as the status quo remained.

It wasn't war winning, but what it did do, is go a long way to deciding where the iron curtain fell at the end of the war (which was of course completely unforeseeable at the time), simply because there was a handy jumping off point for the allies to open up a western front in '44.

As to the war, Germany lost it as soon as they stepped foot in Russia.

my 2 cents.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

Sorry, that is absurd. Despots never ever kill all their enemies.

History has proven that you don't have to kill all of your opponents.
It's about establishing a climate of fear and distrust against anybody even your own familymembers.
There are pretty much examples in history like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler.