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[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

The right to bear arms is written into US constitution.

Adopted 1791.

Originally Posted by nearmiss

You should never yield up any of your rights for the so-called common good.

So what's your take on the patriot act?

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Only when criminal punishments becomes extremely severe will you see a casual policeman walking and whistling along the lane, swinging his club like a band leaders baton.

...or perhaps when gun regulation makes it near impossible for villains to obtain a gun.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

...or perhaps when gun regulation makes it near impossible for villains to obtain a gun.

You are living in a dream world if you believe that sir.

And why add the date of adoption of the US Constitution? Are you implying that somehow our freedoms are out of date?

If so you deserve the cess pool that your country is turning into.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

If so you deserve the cess pool that your country is turning into.

Sweden is turning into a cesspool!?

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

You are living in a dream world if you believe that sir.

Just saying that there are other alternatives than arming every citizen.

Originally Posted by ElAurens

And why add the date of adoption of the US Constitution? Are you implying that somehow our freedoms are out of date?

Implying that conditions changes over time.
Here's a pic to illustrate:

Originally Posted by ElAurens

If so you deserve the cess pool that your country is turning into.

U taught me two things with that sentence: I have learnt what a cesspool is and that you have no clue about the state of my country.

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

You know,at first I was surprised that people with such mentality could be in this forum

So I need an 88 in my backyard to play Call Of Duty or a restaurated Spit with live rounds to play CloD?

Speaking of playing wargames (like CloD); am I right when I assume you play CloD? If so, then this strikes me as a bit funny, if I may:

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It's the bottomline hypocrisy lingering here that drives me nuts: if you go to Beltring you will be in ACRES of militaria stalls, hundreds of people walking around in full uniforms and blank firing guns, tanks and cannons, heck they even re-enact battles! But talk about working firearms and they all look the other way.. it's INSANE, how can you be so much into that, wearing a Nazi uniform, firing blanks against other figurants and then calling people who use working firearms crazies?!

Btw, you're aware that your nick could be misintepreted, right?
Stern = Rear
jaeger = Hunter

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by winny

Just because I don't agree with you my opinion is undemocratic?

WTF?

you must have been asleep at school when they explained the concept of democracy: you said "I don't want guns completely legalised in my country just because someone wants to collect them. Or gets off on shooting stuff.." I don't want the Xfactor or Jordan on TV, but alas, I have to take it, because there's a part of this democratic country that likes that s**t. You don't even know what it is that you don't want.

I think that that the very fact you call someone undemocratic simply for having the opposite opinion is the antethesis of Democracy - I am a citizen of the UK and am entitled to a view. STFU!

whereas inviting me to shut up is very democratic uh? How old are you, Winny? 12?

I'm talking about guns not video games, twitter or buggery.

I don't want guns to be common in my country, I'm not here to debate it I'm here to say what I think. Is that ok with you Mr democracy?

Unfortunately for you guns are common, as you said you've been at gunpoint twice (very bad luck btw, even in Manchester), and again, I have nothing against your choice of not having guns, chapeau to you and your sense of security based on this farse of society. I, on the other hand, am a collector, and I believe I have the same rights that you have to exercise my hobbies. You don't agree? Tough.

Uh and I tell you what, you can come with me to the shooting range at any time and try it for yourself, you'd be amazed on what you'd see.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

So I need an 88 in my backyard to play Call Of Duty or a restaurated Spit with live rounds to play CloD?

erm no, it's not the point.. Are you 12 as well?

The point is that you can't play games that gravitate around violence and make of violence their main theme, then being a anti-firearms guy, it's a contradiction in terms. Why playing something that advocates the use of firearms if you're against them? It makes me think of a Jewish Nazi militaria collector I once met, I just couldn't understand what the heck that was all about

Speaking of playing wargames (like CloD); am I right when I assume you play CloD? If so, then this strikes me as a bit funny, if I may:

why would it be funny?

Btw, you're aware that your nick could be misintepreted, right?
Stern = Rear
jaeger = Hunter

..as I said, you must be 12, both because of your infantile sense of humour and because you can't even spell your nickname properly.. it's vengeance, not vengeanze, genius..

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by timej31

Not being nit picky but it's spelled favor. Hello???

*facepalm*

no it's not. similarly armour is what knights wear, football is played with a round ball, and you're meant to drive on the left.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Yep, my perspective in this thread is the one of the guy that was raised in a country where, albeit not as much as in the States, there's the possibility of owning firearms (carrying them around on your person is not that simple though), moving to a country where the laws and the stupidity of politicians did a lot of damage to the culture and rights of citizen.

dude, go back there if you want to own a shedload of firearms. if i want to smoke pot all day i'll move to holland. if i wanted to be teetotal i'd move to the UAE.

also, ftr, the politicians acted after people with licensed firearms went mental and killed dozens of people. this is when you could own firearms if you wanted, so you can't even say that is why people died - because no one else was armed to intervene.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

at least Cameron's gang now have changed the law for self defence in your household, cos if you killed or injured an intruder before you would still be charged with assault and manslaughter, go figure!!

hmm.

not sure you're quite aware of the changes tbh.

it used to be that you could defend yourself with whatever came to hand, and as long as they a. didn't have their back to you fleeing, and b. you hadn't ejected them from your property and then gone back inside for the first thing that came to hand. if you either killed or injured them, and neither a. nor b. was the case, it was classed as self defence.

now you can have a baseball bat or whatever by your bed with the express purpose of defending yourself. a. and b. still apply.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

You know,at first I was surprised that people with such mentality could be in this forum,but then again to them the Battle Of Britain is either a game or something that was fought with good intentions,not firearms.. It's a contradiction in terms that is beyond me.

it is something that happened 70 years ago which we recreate with pixels. not sure quite what your point is.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you must have been asleep at school when they explained the concept of democracy: you said "I don't want guns completely legalised in my country just because someone wants to collect them. Or gets off on shooting stuff.." I don't want the Xfactor or Jordan on TV, but alas, I have to take it, because there's a part of this democratic country that likes that s**t. You don't even know what it is that you don't want.

whereas inviting me to shut up is very democratic uh? How old are you, Winny? 12?

Unfortunately for you guns are common, as you said you've been at gunpoint twice (very bad luck btw, even in Manchester), and again, I have nothing against your choice of not having guns, chapeau to you and your sense of security based on this farse of society. I, on the other hand, am a collector, and I believe I have the same rights that you have to exercise my hobbies. You don't agree? Tough.

Uh and I tell you what, you can come with me to the shooting range at any time and try it for yourself, you'd be amazed on what you'd see.

seems you're off on it as well. the british public called for handguns and assault weapons to be banned. democracy in action, pretty much.

you have a right to exercise your hobbies where they do not contravene the law, nor spirit of the law of the land.


and then to cap it all you start calling people 12 year olds, whilst simultaneously missing the difference between playing make believe pew pew computer games... and actually shooting someone dead.

jesus.

given your display here, i'm damn glad they restrict your access to firearms.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

You are living in a dream world if you believe that sir.

And why add the date of adoption of the US Constitution? Are you implying that somehow our freedoms are out of date?

If so you deserve the cess pool that your country is turning into.

and that's a bit strong el, i'm surprised you've said that really.

*is disappointed*

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

So what's your take on the patriot act?

It is unconstitutional

...or perhaps when gun regulation makes it near impossible for villains to obtain a gun.

There are still states in the US where you can buy and trade guns at local guns shows without government paperwork.

You can buy semi-automatic weapons as well.

This thread is getting very close to political discussion, re-read what you are posting. Or... this thread may have run it's course for the topic.