IL2 and Sound Modding

[stalkervision]

Chivas"]Stalkervision ----------------------------------------------------------
To me many the on-line crowd are extreamly selfish. They think not a bit about the non-onliners whatsoever just that someone may cheat on them in some on-line game. IMO these complainers more often then not are substandard pilots. Hell i see these same type of complainers whine about the game's ai cheating them even!
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Chiva.."hmmmm...lets see every other combat flight sims can be modded or hacked and here we have one sim that the on-line community can call home, and you want this one screwed up aswell. You call us extremely selfish. Those sims that had on-line communities were ruined by these hacks."

stalker.. I see no evidence whatsoever for this and nor does anyone else. "here we have one sim that the on-line community can call home." Stalker>Exactly your claiming the whole game as yours and only your property..!


Chivas.. Does your supposition that complainers are substandard pilots hold true with your own complaining. Those that resort to name calling are usually trying to deflect scrutiny of their own deficiencies.

stalker> I have no problem whatsoever with worrying about on-line cheaters. Obviously the situation isn't the same for you is it..

chivas.." People who join the on-line community usually have their ass handed to them at first because they are used to flying only against the AI. They go away complaining about cheaters, lol. Until they tough it out and learn from those with on-line experience. "

stalker> of course

Chivas.." I can hear your screaming now, if someone hacked the AI in your latest download of BOB WOV and you had your ass handed to you everytime you flew off-line. "

Stalker> ahh what, screaming about being hacked "off-line" God this argument is way too silly! I have killed mig 21's and mig 15's many many times in a me-110 in WOV. You think a little thing like a hack of a basic piston airplane would even stop me.. Your rich...


Like I said substandard on-line pilots worrying about the last time another pilot shot them down that the other guy was cheating is all...

like I also said you guys even complain the ai cheats! I have taken on four and more ace mustang pilots in one substandard 109 and won, Same with the Brewser Buffalo and the Zero..

hell I have taken on four erich hartmans and won..

I actually wouldn't mind the ai being hacked. It would be more of a challange.....

Get a little better at combat flying and then worry about hackers will you..

I remember an incident where a very good fighter pilot first whipped a bunch of new pilots in a f-86 and then turned around and did the very same thing to them all in a captured mig 15

ever hear the old addage.."It isn't the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog"

Obviously not...

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Hi Pike

There is a huge difference between Bill Gates and the Maddox team. Bill Gates develops a sim and forgets about it. They even dropped the whole series. It was also designed to be modded by the community.
The Maddox team have supported their game since 2001 and had plans to licence the further development of the sim after they moved on to the SOW series. Portions of the sim were never designed or intended to be modded. The monies they make on this sim will make noone a multi-millionaire.
CFS3 needed to be heavily modded to be at all interesting. Even if you added in all the best mods of CFS3, it still wouldn't even come close to the quality of the IL-2 series.

ahh licence the further development of the series??????????????

Show us where exactly that was ever said. I have never ever seen this.

[stalkervision]

To all you EULA quoters..

ever hear that announcement at the begining of football games.

"This is national football league broadcast' Any retransmission, copying of the programs or any other uses without our written promission from the NFL is strictly forbidden."

better burn up all those illegal copies you made...

hay because of you the NFL only a made 10 billion dollars last year..

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Got charts? In my experience even in a high cheat environment there are maybe one cheater in ten, not the other way around. I have no problem with the anti hack view and am fully aware of the dangers it MAY pose, but to accuse 10 out of 11 mod users of being cheaters with absolutely no evidence or even anectotes to suggest such just weakening your own position.

You`re completely out of touch with reality.
The number of cheaters,even if relatively small is not the worst part.First off, you can`t tell whether one`s cheating or not.Not one of the cheating accusations could ever be proved in any IL2 forum.There can never be a consensus on that.
Few cheaters are able to ruin the game for everyone and with no current way to get rid of them they are safe to roam anywhere they want.
A working CRT=2 is a myth.You can ignore that if you want because you and your idiot supporters clearly do not want to see the facts.It supports your view and whether it is true or not is without significance for you.
It is unfair to press everyone that base their joy with this game on a level playing field concept to think that there is no cheating going on.

But haaay, you fly offline,you have your goods so ther rest of the world should get over it.

10 out of 11 mod users wouldn't even know how to cheat, since there are no cheats being released as mods (the tools are there yes, but you still have to know what you are doing).

I do understand why those who respect Oleg Maddox have continually to face the disinformation campaign that goes on every IL2 forum.The facts clearly collide with modders` desired vision of total lack of control over the way the game works.
Few facts for you:

#1 changing FM is very easy

#2 the tools to change any aspect of the game are publicly available.

My only misfortune is that fogging the facts by the likes of you find masses of people unable to think logically.I and few others support the developper but it`s true we cant face the sheer numbers of dumbells standing beside you.

If you want to argue against the mod go right ahead, just come up with a way that is not innacurate to the point of being silly while insulting a lot of people.

Like I said it is my misfortune that you can gather 100 more posts here calling me a fanatic without adding some logical facts that would make me change my mind.The facts however clearly stay on the side of the developper.
Disinformation, illogical thesis`, complete ignorance of the past experiences.

Again, inacurasies and insults do not put you on the high ground even if your side is right (which is debatable).

Untrue.There is nothing debatable about cracking and modifying the game against the developper.It is against the dev,it offends his laws, it is wrong.
You don`t have any measures that may change that so you twist the facts to make them suit your clearly beneficial (for you) position.

I admit that I lost my nerves few times trying to inform people of what they`re doing.The sheer amounts of BS that is being posted again and again by folks like stalkervision are worthy of a month ban.I just can`t go stating and clearing things up again and again and again.It is obvious that there are lot of uninformed folks out there who are getting misinformed daily by people who have interest in IL2 going down to the dogs.

[Chivas]

Stalker

Its obvious you have no clue on what a hacker can do on-line. Even someone of your obvious skill could not out fight someone who spawns on your six and blows you away before you know he's there. Thats part of the reason the CFS 1 and 2 on-line community died. The same could be done to an off-line game, maybe even permently pork it, where all you could use is the original game.

FB has hundreds of aircraft, dozens of maps, and thousands of objects, all you have to bring is alittle imagination. You have this game to fly as is or you can mod all the others to your hearts content, but that isn't good enough for you. You've gotta hack this one too.

You've already told us how much better BOB WOV is than FB, so why not campaign for people to go over there were the developers welcome modders. It should be a win win. This may be part of your plan to disrupt this community and draw people away. I would expect it from you, but there was one who I respected in that community who seen fit to foster a situation that would allow mods against this developers wishes.

[GOZR]

The Big problem with BOB2 is that there is no Online.. but here what is interesting it can be done , they need lots of help over there and they welcome the moders.

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Here a though for the IL2 hacking.

IL2 is getting in serious crisis.. now...when the hack can't be controlled, this is when panic comes in.
Now here the thing that hackers could do to fix this huge problem.
-First is to create a PunkBuster like for Hosts ( servers )
This will change dramatically the hacking histeria for sure.
After create a 4.08H complete version of the 4.08m with all the work done with and with out the sounds ( to me many hacked sounds are bad )
New maps, new 3D planes, new 3 D cockpits, fixed maps, new textures.... basicly a new a total new game then close it for anti other hackers do not touch the FM and create new one for new added planes.
Make it some how official and mostly the PunkBuster like should be a priority.. I think many will change their opinion on this matter after this .. but right now it's a big mess a big momboola!!! IMO and i did predicted it on c6 side.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Originally Posted by GOZR

The Big problem with BOB2 is that there is no Online.. but here what is interesting it can be done , they need lots of help over there and they welcome the moders.

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Here a though for the IL2 hacking.

IL2 is getting in serious crisis.. now...when the hack can't be controlled, this is when panic comes in.
Now here the thing that hackers could do to fix this huge problem.
-First is to create a PunkBuster like for Hosts ( servers )
This will change dramatically the hacking histeria for sure.
After create a 4.08H complete version of the 4.08m with all the work done with and with out the sounds ( to me many hacked sounds are bad )
New maps, new 3D planes, new 3 D cockpits, fixed maps, new textures.... basicly a new a total new game then close it for anti other hackers do not touch the FM and create new one for new added planes.
Make it some how official and mostly the PunkBuster like should be a priority.. I think many will change their opinion on this matter after this .. but right now it's a big mess a big momboola!!! IMO and i did predicted it on c6 side.

the sounds on your youtube vids weren't that bad.

[GOZR]

Because that are mine which are way way better. But due to this big problem of fear i wont share period.
something as to be done seriously now and anti cheat.. and then maybe.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Stalker

Its obvious you have no clue on what a hacker can do on-line. Even someone of your obvious skill could not out fight someone who spawns on your six and blows you away before you know he's there. Thats part of the reason the CFS 1 and 2 on-line community died. The same could be done to an off-line game, maybe even permently pork it, where all you could use is the original game.


stalker>>Actually I realise this buddy. I have yet to see ANY of the dire things your prodicting will happen though.

FB has hundreds of aircraft, dozens of maps, and thousands of objects, all you have to bring is alittle imagination. You have this game to fly as is or you can mod all the others to your hearts content, but that isn't good enough for you. You've gotta hack this one too.

stalker> Hack shmack, no one wants to touch a thing that worries you buddy least of all me.

You've already told us how much better BOB WOV is than FB, so why not campaign for people to go over there were the developers welcome modders. It should be a win win. This may be part of your plan to disrupt this community and draw people away. I would expect it from you, but there was one who I respected in that community who seen fit to foster a situation that would allow mods against this developers wishes

stalker> There is already a very strong mod group over there. No need for new members.. Many people love Il-2 and will not even try BOB. Many people would love some additional new planes the developer seems not to care a wit about giving. I know I see them beg to the developer every day..

You seem more worried about the developer and your own on-line gaming experiance then anything else buddy. Give the other side a chance for once huh?.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by GOZR

The Big problem with BOB2 is that there is no Online.. but here what is interesting it can be done , they need lots of help over there and they welcome the moders.

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Here a though for the IL2 hacking.

IL2 is getting in serious crisis.. now...when the hack can't be controlled, this is when panic comes in.
Now here the thing that hackers could do to fix this huge problem.
-First is to create a PunkBuster like for Hosts ( servers )
This will change dramatically the hacking histeria for sure.
After create a 4.08H complete version of the 4.08m with all the work done with and with out the sounds ( to me many hacked sounds are bad )
New maps, new 3D planes, new 3 D cockpits, fixed maps, new textures.... basicly a new a total new game then close it for anti other hackers do not touch the FM and create new one for new added planes.
Make it some how official and mostly the PunkBuster like should be a priority.. I think many will change their opinion on this matter after this .. but right now it's a big mess a big momboola!!! IMO and i did predicted it on c6 side.

I can agree with most of this Gozar...