..just another open letter to Luthier, Oleg and 1C

[dougandtoni]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Yet this "Huge Fan" can't be bothered to support this game financially. While there's merit in your words, I think the opinion just lost any weight. Go buy the game, then continue your criticisms...

hey cheesedick you need to learn to read. He said "I unfortunately haven't had a chance to play with the new sim yet" He did not say anything about not buying it. Jeez you cant read but you are let loose on a computer lol no wonder the devs are going to struggle with this game. Shit whats going to happen if they hypothetically release a file and tell you to put it in for example C:\steam\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\parts\core\GUI you will be whackin it in my pictures folder and then moan that the game dont work doh

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Really and you can make that statement how, your just a info-less as the rest of us nearmiss as you have said in the past.

Sorry mate I dont like sayin this stuff because I've respect for your integrity and some of the other long term supporters in the IL2 community but it does look as if there is a major communication problem here, false statements about things like full screen being fixed, when clearly the boss hasnt checked the patch or knows it dont work yet it gets released anyway.

I am patient and i will wait with the majority, but the complaints I see here on these forums are not that the game is crap because it isnt.
Its because for a long time we have been told one thing and then something else happens or it turns out not to be true and developers knew it wasnt true.
Seriously you cant say that you dont see and sympathise with some people's unhappines based on that premiss and that fact that they have paid their money and entered into this senario.

Also just throwing this out there as a thought ~while I do think it is wrong but funny to ridicule peoples frustration with the usual sarcasam, what if they complainers are right? doesnt that complain/ridicule senario just tell the possible unscruplious ideas that there will always be people on their forums to shoot down/silence the problems?

I'm not going to work myself into a corner making a bunch of trash talk. It's too unbecoming.

I have confidence Luthier is doing his best with what he has.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

The problem is that it is incessant, insentient & too often immature. And never helpful.

+1



@dougandtoni...

there's no reall need for outright namecalling and vulgarity like that, is there?

[Chivas]

We certainly are a needy bunch.

Was the game released before it was finished?...Yes

Were the publishers/ developers evasive about the condition of the sim?...Yes

Did the evasiveness help initial sales?...Yes

Will the extra sales help fund the sims completion?...Yes

Will the sims unfinished state hurt sales?... Definitely

Did the publishers/developers want the sim released before it was ready?...Of course not

Do the publishers/developers know there are multiple problems?...Of course

Does the developer want to support the sim and have a regular paycheck thru the next 10-15 years of addons?...Yes

Will the sim be finished?...Probably

Will the sim be dropped?...Maybe

Do you have the right to constantly whine?...Yes

Will the constant whining improve the likelihood there will be enough sales to help finish the sim?...No

[vingt-2]

Whining is all about frustration and the feeling of having been duped.

What frustration ?

To buy the game "day one" for 60 bucks and beeing able to play it several months later, when it's dropped to 30 bucks.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by vingt-2

Whining is all about frustration and the feeling of having been duped.

What frustration ?

To buy the game "day one" for 60 bucks and beeing able to play it several months later, when it's dropped to 30 bucks.

I bought Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator version CFS3 two weeks after it was released in a used bookstore for $8.00

The problems with CFS3 were enormous compared to BOB COD. All the money and resources of MSFT and they couldn't make that dog hunt.

Many people frustrated beyond belief.

Frustrated sellers are motivated sellers. Motivated sellers... sell cheap. LOL

[carguy_]

Sternjaeger II,
your post is a perfect example of a calm, well mannered criticism that is posted with standard respect for another human being. I don`t agree with you, though I highly welcome such attitude.

I think that since the beta patch was released, it is obvious that it is being worked on to hit Steam anywhere near the game`s US release. We pretty much have that covered. We also have good guess about what is the first expansion pack scheduled for release. Ok?

Now, what is beyond me are the folks who sit in here forums few hours a day doing nothing but flaming the devs, with no respect whatsovever. Nothing worth posting, just "make this game work or I`ll cry" drivel. Now I, even if I was feeling cheated by the initial release, I couldn`t post daily about how I feel about it. No time for that, gotta go shopping, gotta pay the bils, gotta go to work, gotta spend some quality time with family/friends. So the question rises : who are those people moaning here everyday? I would think they are people who have nothing else to do but sit in front of their monitor. And yet, this game being half-broken leads them to think that the sky is falling. The truth is that the sky is NOT falling. Every normal human being can`t be bothered with posting such drivel nearly every day. So much venom, so much frustration. Even with moderators working here to clean the drivel out of this forum, they can`t put a stop to it, because there is so many of them. So many pathetic, intelectually challenged people who have no control over their reactions. Why should we even tolerate them? They make everyone else look bad.

Get a life people! For a normal human being, pc entertainment is only a fraction of one`s life.

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I'm not going to work myself into a corner making a bunch of trash talk. It's too unbecoming.

I have confidence Luthier is doing his best with what he has.

nearmiss, you will be the last soldier on the filed, trying to contact "the lost connection"..wish u good luck

[Pudfark]

The bottom line?

"No message is a message"

Many thanks to the folks who have directly and indirectly helped me over the years. No matter which way you lean on this issue, the message above is true.

[nearmiss]

I'm surprised no one has really gotten to this point.

1C has now opened up this forums to allow MODS discussions, and direct links to them. This is HUGE.

The TD has completed some marvelous improvements to IL2, added to that some of the mods available are absolutely unbelievable. By that I mean they are exceptionally well done.

The MODS including maps, sounds and effects turn the old IL2 into a completely new adventure for all of us.

Yes, we want something better and our expectations are high for that something better with BOB COD. I guess for the time being that will be out of the question.

I fire up the IL2 with TD updates and selected MODS. I quite honestly, enjoy it. If we didn't have the quality of improvements in IL2 I might really be put off, but that isn't the case. I'm thinking the IL2 is very viable with TD updates and Mods for the next couple years, because the BOB COD is wrapped around one small time frame in the WW2 only. I can fly every war theater and hundreds of aircraft in the improved IL2, including carrier based missions. It will be a long time before any of the features of BOB COD come close to the improved IL2. Remember this... the TD and 3rd party mod developers are still improving on the IL2.

For sure... if we didn't have expectations for the BOB COD, we would be enjoying the improved IL2. All our thoughts and energies would primarily be focused on TD releases and 3rd party mods.