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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Yes I have and like using Steam 256 54.47%
Yes I have and dont like using Steam 67 14.26%
No I do not have Steam but will for CoD 52 11.06%
No I do not have Steam and will not for CoD 95 20.21%
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Old 03-14-2011, 12:52 PM
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There is a risk of bias as the subject line says "poll regarding steam users" rather than "poll regarding steam use" or "poll regarding steam".

I initially assumed that the questions were only directed at those already using steam.
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:20 PM
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Yeah bias from steam haters creating multiple logins/votes.

If you don't like steam don't play cod simple really, just don't forget to wipe the tears from your eyes and sign the goodbye thread before moaning about how bad steam is somewhere else.

I suggest anybody who is refusing to buy cod due to steam should join the flat earth society as you clearly have a lot in common....
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:25 PM
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Steam is great.

Hundreds of games in my library.

Discs are for old people who dont have an internet connection.
It's also now a monopoly, and there should be other means to authenticate besides Steam. At least one other competitor's servers should be an available option. To keep competition going.

(no one is talking about having to use discs or not, the issue is business ethics)

Edit: The thing that people should realize is with STEAM authentication forced even for SP, you no longer own a game, you own a SUBSCRIPTION TO A GAME ONLY. Meaning that when Valve stops supporting the game title or goes bottom up, you don't have a game to play legally. Therefore in my opinion anything being _forced_ to use STEAM should be provided at a very low cost to the end user as it's a temporary use agreement.

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Old 03-14-2011, 01:33 PM
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I don't think Oleg is running a democracy here it's his game and he can do what he likes with it the same can be said for your money..
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:41 PM
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If you don't like steam don't play cod simple really, just don't forget to wipe the tears from your eyes and sign the goodbye thread before moaning about how bad steam is somewhere else.

I suggest anybody who is refusing to buy cod due to steam should join the flat earth society as you clearly have a lot in common....
Actually, you are the one who needs to join that society.

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/anti...erview_en.html
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:08 PM
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Actually, you are the one who needs to join that society.

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/anti...erview_en.html
You fool of course monopolies are dangerous just look at apple and Microsoft I hate both companies but I use windows and I'm guessing you do as well... It's not up to you to decide if oleg uses steam on his product it us however up to you to use a product that is linked to steam

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P.s. I am sure that steam subscription rubbish people keep quoting is simple there to stop users suing steam when there net goes down or something along those lines.

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Old 03-14-2011, 02:27 PM
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Hello,

considering there are many fans of Steam here and some even defend it like they have a commerical interest in it, I will repeat maybe the most important question.

What uses does Steamworks have for us IL2 players?

Considering the majority wants to have it and apparently there are better things than VAC and that has been circumvented , someone ought to come up with a different explanation than "Steam is great", "I have 200 games on Steam" , which is especially silly since i can't see the game as being buyable on Steam currently.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:34 PM
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The benefit for me is vac, friends list, easy to use and reliable.

What I'm trying to find out us why people are refusing to buy clod due to steam, I can't see any negatives unless you only play single player but even then you can use the offline mode!!

Yes it's annoying that it is a requirement but again steam is the lesser evil of all the other tools around that they could have used.
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You fool of course monopolies are dangerous just look at apple and Microsoft I hate both companies but I use windows and I'm guessing you do as well... It's not up to you to decide if oleg uses steam on his product it us however up to you to use a product that is linked to steam

Bye bye
Why do you feel the need to constantly insult people and call them names? Are you insecure, generally people act this way when they have no other way to control a situation. From what I can see 66% of people don't mind STEAM so you are in a majority. This speaks to psychological issues you may wish to address.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:56 PM
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Why do you feel the need to constantly insult people and call them names? Are you insecure, generally people act this way when they have no other way to control a situation. From what I can see 66% of people don't mind STEAM so you are in a majority. This speaks to psychological issues you may wish to address.
Sorry I did not want to insult you and I dont feel the need to/constantly insult people, you are the first , you are not being forced to use steam to play all games just this one it's hardly a monopoly and more people have started to use impulse and direct to drive.

Steam is in no way a monopoly hence the fool part, again sorry about that but don't even try to label steam a monopoly if you want to see a monopoly just look at Microsoft...

Lol at my apparent psychological issues u best agree with me before I go on a murder spree , if steam is sued for being a monopoly like microsoft has then I will agree with u until then it's no more of a monopoly than your local fish and chip shop if you don't like the food don't eat there

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