Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[Sturm_Williger]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

Quote: Originally Posted by jspec01
Has anyone else's ignore list been growing lately?
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Yes

Meh, I don't even have an ignore list - I read it all. It can be interesting, it can be laughable, but it's my choice to get worked up about it or not.
I may disagree with something someone says, but I don't have to post a rebuttal. I don't have any real flight experience, gaming programming experience, hell I don't even have some of the books some people clearly have. If the devs take umbrage at some of the stuff people post, it will be all our loss, but I'm sure the moderators are well aware of that.

I do find it hard to comprehend how people can feel cheated or somesuch because planned features aren't going to be in the initial release. I'm sure the devs wanted to have them as much or more because ... after all - THEY'RE the ones who planned to have them in the first place.
WE just have expectations - and why ? Because these same devs were kind enough to interact with their customers and tell us their plans. Now we castigate them when some plans haven't made it to fruition ? Sorry I just don't see the logic.
But this is just my opinion.

Hell, I remember getting the first IL2 ( pre-FB ). After flying EAW, it was just "WOW!"
And even then - how much better did it get ?
So I can't see the devs working on something new for 5+ years which is going to be rubbish, for all the features that didn't make the final ( initial ) cut. But that's just me using that pesky logic again.
Your opinion may differ.

[DC338]

Originally Posted by luthier

We're still working on sounds. Engine and gun sounds are pretty good in my opinion, but a lot of people will take some time to get used to them because they're not what you expect, especially guns as heard from inside the cockpit. We got some funny bug reports about that from some beta testers.

You can hear outside noises, yes. As you should. We can argue this based both on memoirs and on scientific formulas.

What sort of outside noises? Other aircraft? Can you point to the memoirs and formulas? I would like to see the arguments that you can hear much that goes on outside the cockpit.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by swiss

Sure. But here we are talking about the moment where the plane is still a tiny dot.
What do you do with this information?
At this stage you don't know whether it's friend or foe - all you know is there's an aircraft.

(the direction of the plane doesn't help too much, I often penetrate hostile airspace just to stab them in the back on their way to the front )

Perfect answer really....

I would also add for all, that we can't track the size of pixel for the different physical size of monitors with the same resolution in pixels.
For example I have two monitors with the same pixel resolution at home... both full HD, however one is 13 inches of high end ligth weight carbon noterbook, but another is 24 inches standard monitor... Cheat? Definitely cheat speaking about size of the dot in this case !

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by DC338

What sort of outside noises? Other aircraft? Can you point to the memoirs and formulas? I would like to see the arguments that you can hear much that goes on outside the cockpit.

I have modern video record where the sound of P-39 we may hear from another fighter from which this record was done. And it was done with the professional equipment but not with the light, small and simple camcoder that can record nothing really (most records on youtube are done exactly by camcoders with internal mics).... or by other words don't selectively working like it is with the system of Human ears + brain...

Another my own experinece in yak-52 flying near the Yak-18T... I was able to hear and to define the directions of outside flying plane flying some 30 menters near my plane... And I was in a helment that is very similar to WWII time...

Also, please tell me, can the bullet hit to the wing of the aircratf hear the pilot? If you will say me can, then I will put here the real measurement of the sound from the hit of bullet to the wing and the sound of fighter propeller (not the engine even!) on a distance of the 50 meters in decibels for comparison. Then you will tell me who is right

[proton45]

Hi Oleg...I'm just wondering about the level of detail we can expect to hear in the damage model? How much damage (and what kind of damage) can we expect to hear in the game? Will various kinds of engine damage be modeled (differently) in the sound engine...can we expect to hear a damaged piston? Or will the engine sounds indicate damage as the oil leaks out?

Thanks for your hard work...

[julien673]

Can propeller be damaged ? very big vibration... ? If the windows are damaged... what append ?

Tks so much for all the awnser, i was tired of all this post about the green colours of the field......

[swiss]

Originally Posted by fireflyerz

Two of the most famous aircraft in the world one with an instantly recognisable engine note , the other being one of my favorite engine sounds "db.600.series" the cost of audio equipment is under £500 and the rest is some polite airfield diplomacy , a favour or two and knowing how to place yourself via the conditions , the editing....childs play , but what do I know and its like you said , so what if a spit sounds like a skyvan.

500quid?
You sure get some bad ass equipment for that.
What makes you think they will run the engine for free?
Just because it's a for a certain Oleg Maddox whos name is(most likely) completely unknown to the plane owner? And it's for a commercial purpose.
They will you $1800 just to put that microphone near their running BD6xx engine - and that probably doesn't even cover cost....
Please repeat for EACH engine.
Plus travel, accommodation, expenses.
You will top out $20k before you know.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by swiss

500quid?
You sure get some bad ass equipment for that.
What makes you think they will run the engine for free?
Just because it's a for a certain Oleg Maddox whos name is(most likely) completely unknown to the plane owner? And it's for a commercial purpose.
They will you $1800 just to put that microphone near their running BD6xx engine - and that probably doesn't even cover cost....
Please repeat for EACH engine.
Plus travel, accommodation, expenses.
You will top out $20k before you know.

Well, if you chase down every single plane on its own, MAYBE. But with a bit of planing ahead you only need to visit two air shows, record what you need on arrival or departure day to get the plane owners sole attention and you should be covered.

That way you only need to travel, ship your equipment and ensure it, twice.

I do believe that the name rings a bell and that owners, if approached in the right way, would love to donate the sound of their engines. At the end of the day, they are as much in love with them as Oleg is, so they are of a similar mind.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Zorin

I do believe that the name rings a bell and that owners, if approached in the right way, would love to donate the sound of their engines. At the end of the day, they are as much in love with them as Oleg is, so they are of a similar
mind.

They have to pay their bills too.
Warbirds are a very expensive hobby - and there is no such thing as free lunch.

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by swiss

They have to pay their bills too.
Warbirds are a very expensive hobby - and there is no such thing as free lunch.

It is not like you ask them to do anything that they wouldn't have done anyway. Startup, priming, etc...