G940 bugs sorted out???

[meplay]

The thing that i dont think il like about the x65 is that the stick doesnt actually move which would be very weird if you ask me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oi4jmCib6k

[mazex]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

thanx guys for all your input. Even though I would love this set, it seems to me that there is a risk I have to wrestle with the gear, or with Log support... considering the cost, I think I'll pass...

Actually I have no clue where to go to now.. The Hog and the X65 is way too expensive as I won't get any peds.... hmm I have to think hard about it.

I just love my G940... I think the reversal bug in the thottle and pedal axis is just academic. You will not notice it if you don't really try to... I have never noticed it and I'm rather picky. How often do you really slowly apply rudder in one direction and then really slowly apply it in the other direction? And notice that small error? Last night I flew a bunch of bomber missions which I have done lately (getting old?) using Thors bombing guide (as usual) that requires you to set the throttle at 80%, and I have not noticed that reversal bug while doing that so when should I then do it accept if I really want to find it?

[F19_Klunk]

where did u buy it ?? Webhallen?

[Artist]

ACE-OF-ACES,

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I can not remember if Leo added the filtering or if it was a standard feature on the PIC controller he uses.. I got all my notes on it at work and I am at home today so if needed I could look it up on Monday

That would be nice...

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

EDIT I looked up that A1302KUA-T.. it is a IC package that has an analog out so yeah that would work as an input to the BU0836.. But I think you will still need to read/count/monitor the pulses? Do you know if this is that the HALL sensor used in the G940?

About the G940 I do not know...

I checked Leo's site again (it's still disabled) and found a comment of him in some other forum (mentioned in an earlier poste here): His employee left him, he's on a project, so he won't take orders he's not able to process speedely enough...

Anyway: In *his* forum he once gave instructions for the A1302KUA-T:

The connections are:

BU0836 GND === Hall sensor "-"
BU0836 +5V === Hall sensor "+"
BU0836 INPUT === Hall sensor "O" (output)

Just make sure you follow Hall sensor pinout carefully. It's a semiconductor device and could be damaged if not connected as designed.

and the two illustrating pictures from that post

Artist

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Artist

ACE-OF-ACES,
Anyway: In *his* forum he once gave instructions for the A1302KUA-T:

and the two illustrating pictures from that post

Interesting..

Now it has been.. what.. 8 years since I used a hall sensor on one of our motor drives at TRW (now Northrop) so I am going off my already bad memory.. But I seem to recall the hall sensor not putting out a linear voltage range.. it put out a pulse each time the hall sensor passed by the magnet on the drive shaft, which in turn caused the output of the hall sensor to pulse.. But.. if the shaft did not completely turn (360) and the hall hall sensor remained in the magnetic field of the magnet at all times.. say the shaft only moved a few degrees +/- than I guess you would get a linear voltage output of the hall sensor.. that must be how they are doing it.. Which in turn would remove the need to monitor/count the 'pulsees' each time the shaft turned 360

Make since now in that the XY shafts of the joystick do not turn 360 degrees but just a few degrees

If that is the case than we could totally dump the Logi junk electronics and go full BU0836!!

WOOT!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by mazex

I think the reversal bug in the thottle and pedal axis is just academic. You will not notice it if you don't really try to... I have never noticed it and I'm rather picky. How often do you really slowly apply rudder in one direction and then really slowly apply it in the other direction? And notice that small error?

That's just it, it is NOT a 'small error' it is a 'big reversal spike error'

Such that when your moving your rudders (fast or slow does not mater) say to the left you will get a sudden spike to the right as if you kick full right rudder, which in turn makes the nose of your plane wag back and forth and thus messing up the shot you were trying to line up with a little rudder to the left.

As for not noting it now, keep your fingers crossed and enjoy it while you can in that I did not notice it much at first either, but with time the problem showed up and only go worse with time/usage.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by meplay

The thing that i don't think il like about the x65 is that the stick doesn't actually move which would be very weird if you ask me:

A force stick is not the most historic/realistic stick you will ever use (unless you fly modern jet sims where modern jets like the F16 use force stick) but it is probably the most accurate stick you will ever use. The way it works is the stick senses the force you apply, where as other sticks sense how far you have moved the stick. It takes a little getting use to but once you do it is pretty nice, I have not tried the Satic stick, but we do have some military force sticks where I work and they use them to fly F4 phantom drones, me personally though I like the historic/realistic aspect of the standard sticks

[mazex]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

where did u buy it ?? Webhallen?

Nope, PC Doctorn had the best price back when it was released so I bought it there but I don't recommend them for a bunch of reasons (start with the name? )

[mazex]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That's just it, it is NOT a 'small error' it is a 'big reversal spike error'

Such that when your moving your rudders (fast or slow does not mater) say to the left you will get a sudden spike to the right as if you kick full right rudder, which in turn makes the nose of your plane wag back and forth and thus messing up the shot you were trying to line up with a little rudder to the left.

As for not noting it now, keep your fingers crossed and enjoy it while you can in that I did not notice it much at first either, but with time the problem showed up and only go worse with time/usage.

OK, It may be that haven't used it that much then? Since I bought it 1.5 years ago I guess I don't have more than 20-30 flight hours on it... Kids, wife, work and those darn friends stop my rightfully deserved sim time all the time

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by mazex

OK, It may be that haven't used it that much then? Since I bought it 1.5 years ago I guess I don't have more than 20-30 flight hours on it... Kids, wife, work and those darn friends stop my rightfully deserved sim time all the time

That or you just one of the lucky ones.. One thing you should do is bring up the calibration routine like pupo162 did in his video of the throttle where he was showing the R1 & R2 noise when moving the RHS throttle (on page 2) than do the same for your rudder and than move them and watch for the spike.. It is visable on mine.. If nothing more than a data point.. than check it again in a month or so and see if you notice it getting worse with time