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Old 01-26-2011, 02:32 PM
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That is definitively wrong!!!
The delay could be set to 0.08 s. (MV).
The armingt time still was between 0.9 and 1.5 s.
Exactly - and that would be the minimum! This setting also came with a fixed 14 seconds of bomb delay.
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:34 PM
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IT IS NOT about SKIPBOMBING, skipbombig is easy - try tanks.
Killing tanks was considered to be very hard - also with bombs. This is why weapons like the Ju 87G, Hurricane IID, the NS 37mm cannon or cluster bombs were introduced.
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:59 PM
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This setting also came with a fixed 14 seconds of bomb delay.
So? The bomb would penetrate the hull, doesn't even matter if it was 140sec.

Would suck only if you're attacking a moving land convoy.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:04 PM
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So? The bomb would penetrate the hull, doesn't even matter if it was 140sec.
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Leaves me to wonder which bomb and which hull, and also to wonder "so?" what. Never heard a fact before? Make of it what you want, that's what the brain is for.
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Old 01-26-2011, 06:26 PM
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this guy sure looks like he ignored the new bomb fusing completely!

No. The plane is not over the ship, but well past it. I would say that it is at least 300 feet up. Ships are bigger than you think - a common cargo ship like that is probably about 30 meters tall. To ignore the bomb fusing (dropping from less than 30 meters) he would have gone through the rigging.

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IT IS NOT about SKIPBOMBING, skipbombig is easy - try tanks.
Post a track in which you're having trouble bombing tanks. I and maybe others can watch it and explain what you're doing wrong. Again, it was never an easy thing to do.

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Old 01-26-2011, 07:32 PM
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this guy sure looks like he ignored the new bomb fusing completely!




Yeah hehe... while on western front he's preoccupied with killing Königstigers with his .50s.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:45 PM
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No. The plane is not over the ship, but well past it. I would say that it is at least 300 feet up. Ships are bigger than you think - a common cargo ship like that is probably about 30 meters tall. To ignore the bomb fusing (dropping from less than 30 meters) he would have gone through the rigging.
He did go through the rigging, he also hit the mast on his way through. To quote the same picture captioned in 'Flying Buccaneers; The Illustrated History of Kenney's Fifth Air Force' by Steve Birdsall: "During the fierce convoy attack on March 19, 1944, this A-20 struck the mast of it's victim and crashed into the sea. Coming off the target, Jock Henebry spotted a dye marker and yellow life jacket and the pilot was picked up by a Catalina the next morning after 17 hours in the water."
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:51 PM
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Well, what happened to his bombs then?
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Old 01-27-2011, 04:28 AM
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Leaves me to wonder which bomb and which hull, and also to wonder "so?" what. Never heard a fact before? Make of it what you want, that's what the brain is for.
So -> so what. The delay has no influence on your success.
The bomb(I guess SC50's will not work) will penetrate all hulls of civilian ships.

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Early Liberty ships suffered hull and deck cracks, and a few were lost to such structural defects. During WWII, there were nearly 1,500 instances of significant brittle fractures. Twelve ships, including three of the 2,710 Liberties built, broke in half without warning, including the SS John P. Gaines
For a libertyship the impact alone would be enough to sink it, lol.
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This made them bounce and penetrate their target's hull near the waterline.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/skip_bombing.aspx

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If timed right the bomb would skip and penetrate the hull before exploding
http://books.google.ch/books?id=Z6YsNyLd_Q4C p.102, search for "hull"


Whether they could penetrate the side of a cruiser or not, I don't know.

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Old 01-27-2011, 04:39 AM
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Found some real life data:

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Discussing the situation with Major Bill Benn, Kenney suggested the idea of 'skip bombing': dropping a bomb such that it literally skipped off the water like a stone, hitting its target from the side. To do this, the bombs, set with delayed fuzes so the plane would have time to clear the detonation, must be dropped at an extremely (dangerously!) low altitude and at the right speed and from the right distance. The bomber for the job must have enough fire power in the nose to defend itself from enemy flak at such low heights. The man for the job of making it work was Major Bill Benn, so Kenney fired him as his assistant and assigned him to command the 63rd Squadron and undertake the perfection of 'skip bombing'.

Major Benn then gathered together some of the best pilots in the 43rd --1st Lt. James T. Murphy, Capt. Ken McCullar, Lt. Folmer "The Swede" Sogaard, Capt. Ed Scott, Lt. Glenn Lewis-- who set about the task. Many hours of practice taught them that approaching the ship from 2,000 ft., then dropping down to an altitude of 200 to 250 ft. (maintaining the air speed of 200 to 250 m.p.h.) and releasing the bomb --equipped with a 4 to 5 second delay fuze-- 60 to 100 ft. away from the target was the way to do it.2 Thanks to the efforts of these men, the percentage of targets hit increased from less than 1% to 72%
http://www.kensmen.com/skipbombing.html

I just posted this because of the 72%, quite interesting.
Again: I am not complaining about the status quo when it comes to skipbombing in 4.10

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