Tactics for Cliffs of Dover.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I think its in Steinhilpers book that he talks about many 109 pilots coming down in the channel due to running out of fuel,something like 16 or so (guessing,can't quite remember,but it was a lot) in one day,with most of the pilots drowning.
This is another thing,surely the RAF planes should have a heavier fuel load than the LW fighters?
A 109 should be just around the 50% mark when it gets to the combat area.
So RAF boys,what do you do? Carry a full tank and hope you don't meet a 109 with 50% fuel, or take off with 50% and hope you don't run out and have to land before we turn up...
Will make for some strategic flying on a realistic server!

Well that is where some flyable seaplanes would come handy to pick up downed airmen out of the drink. The Do 24 did a lot of SAR missions.

[JG52Uther]

Yes,but those dastardly RAF types used to hunt the rescue planes,and I don't think the people flying CoD will take any notice of the red cosses either!

[Xilon_x]

because the fuel ended?
had not previously done a good briefing?
do not calculate how much fuel could he do?
maybe there were losses caused by bullet holes.

[David603]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I think its in Steinhilpers book that he talks about many 109 pilots coming down in the channel due to running out of fuel,something like 16 or so (guessing,can't quite remember,but it was a lot) in one day,with most of the pilots drowning.
This is another thing,surely the RAF planes should have a heavier fuel load than the LW fighters?
A 109 should be just around the 50% mark when it gets to the combat area.
So RAF boys,what do you do? Carry a full tank and hope you don't meet a 109 with 50% fuel, or take off with 50% and hope you don't run out and have to land before we turn up...
Will make for some strategic flying on a realistic server!

If it takes you 50% of your fuel to reach the area of combat then how are you going to get home after fighting?

I'm thinking it will be more like Bf109's on 60-70% fuel and Spitfires and Huricanes on 70-80% fuel if the fight takes place over England. Over the Channel this would be reversed, since the RAF fighters would have further to fly.

[JG52Uther]

I won't be fighting,I'll be running
Actually you won't find me,as I'll be hedge hopping on the way to Kenley with some presents...

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I won't be fighting,I'll be running
Actually you won't find me,as I'll be hedge hopping on the way to Kenley with some presents...

LOL, funny


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Yes,but those dastardly RAF types used to hunt the rescue planes,and I don't think the people flying CoD will take any notice of the red cosses either!


They will view the cross as a target, and blame poor eyesight

[Icewolf]

who says the spitfire outturns the 109? show me the references from 1940

[Abbeville-Boy]

oooh
cod first graph and chart thread
for proofs

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Icewolf

who says the spitfire outturns the 109? show me the references from 1940

Pilot accounts said the Spit turned better. Here's a quote from wwiiaircraftperformance.org - http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html

"The RAE determined in Report No. B.A.1640 that "The minimum radius of turn without height loss at 12,000 ft., full throttle, is calculated as 885 ft. on the Me 109 compared with 696 ft. on the Spitfire." and that the corresponding time to turn through 360 deg is 25 seconds for the Me 109 and 19 seconds for the Spitfire. 73 (See also Me 109 and Spitfire. Comparison of Turning Circles and Spitfire and Me 109 Diagrams of Turning). 60 years later Dr. John Ackroyd, PhD, C.Eng, FRAeS of the Aerospace Division, Manchester School of Engineering, University of Manchester, and Fellow of The Royal Aeronautical Society, took a fresh look at this subject in his paper "Comparison of turning radii for four Battle of Britain fighter aircraft". He calculated the minimum turn radii to be 686 feet for the Spitfire IA versus 853 feet for the BF 109 E-3 - which is in very good agreement with the RAE's findings. 74 "

So, reading that WWII performance site, the Spit was faster, climbed better, and turned better. Oleg may have had to program the fighters closer just to give the 109s a chance.

[lane]

Originally Posted by Icewolf

who says the spitfire outturns the 109? show me the references from 1940

Did you see the video posted earlier in this thread by TinyTim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBdJyLx4aqI

“Invariably in a fight you’re chasing each other round and round and round but you could turn much more tight (that way)… smaller turning circle than any German fighter, especially the 109; and that was the best feature, by far.”

Unwin flew Spitfires with 19 Squadron right through the Battle of Britain. I guess he should know.