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Old 12-27-2010, 03:51 PM
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Man, I am so angry right now. SO ANGRY DABNABBIT!§!! Mah bombs won't work!!!"
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:57 PM
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It was your comment about fighter pilots robtec.

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But then, most fighterpilots fly by the seat of their pants and only care fore the most essential procedures like take off and sometimes landing.
I mostly fly bombers and fighter/bomber types these days, but I've seen this argument used a lot and never understood where it comes from.

Chip on my shoulder? Not really. I just don't understand the need for this change, especially with so many other things that I would have prioritized ahead of bomb fusing. And the fact that it really is poorly implemented, in my opinion, and in the opinion of many many folks that I know that fly the sim.

It's all a balance between enjoyment and difficulty. Make it too difficult and it becomes a job, and hence less enjoyable.

Like I said, I do this for fun. If it becomes no fun then why do it? I love ground pounding, but if it becomes a job, well, then I'll just go back to fighters.


I've also noted that high altitude bombing accuracy seems significantly degraded in 4.10. Any reason for that?
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:06 PM
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I've also noted that high altitude bombing accuracy seems significantly degraded in 4.10. Any reason for that?
Wind now affects bombs.
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:27 PM
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It's all a balance between enjoyment and difficulty. Make it too difficult and it becomes a job, and hence less enjoyable.
biggest prob imho. I wonder if fighter jocks still go for a casual bombing run on the servers, just for a bit variety.

let's hope online bombers dont become an endagered breed thanks to 4.10
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:32 PM
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Man, I am so angry right now. SO ANGRY DABNABBIT!§!! Mah bombs won't work!!!"


Oh boy, that comment gave me the very best laughs this a week or even maybe a month
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:32 PM
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@ElAurens

You didn't quote the smileys -> ironic
also it is "common knowledge" (again: ironic) that the attitude of fighter pilots is "up in the wild blue yonder"
and: "fighter pilots do movies, bomber pilots make history" and so on and on...

and its robtek, with a "k".
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:35 PM
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But then, most fighterpilots fly by the seat of their pants and only care fore the most essential procedures like take off and sometimes landing.

I think you will find that 'Most' successful pilots achieve that status by disregarding their 'seat of the pants' feelings and rely on their training and their knowledge of system that they operate, the instruments that they rely upon and what they know of physics and how they expect their aircraft to react in the situations that they put them in.

Following your seat of the pants feeling will find you in a tight spiral dive into the ground once you lose your visual reference in a cloud or some such!

cheers!
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Old 12-27-2010, 04:41 PM
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I think you will find that 'Most' successful pilots achieve that status by disregarding their 'seat of the pants' feelings and rely on their training and their knowledge of system that they operate, the instruments that they rely upon and what they know of physics and how they expect their aircraft to react in the situations that they put them in.
like I said: Fighter Choks do training to hone their skills.
Why should it be plain easy to succesful hit targets with bombs?!
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:36 PM
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There is nothing realistic about this approach to bomb fusing and DT has provided no info to the contrary.
Yes, there is, it has been demonstrated repeatedly in the previous pages. Besides, where is your evidence to counter DT's decision? In all your posts I have seen nothing, no links, not a single scrap of video, photographic reference or document. You have a duty to verify the veracity of your claims too you know.

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It was one person, or group of persons decision on what they felt was better. Not more historic, not better for the sim in general, just a method picked out of a hat to change something just because they could, to suit their personal vision of what the sim should be like.
And how is that any different from your stance?!?! You seem like an intelligent guy El, surely you're aware of the hypocrisy of this statement?

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Scalability has always been the hallmark of IL2, but I see now that the sim will be pushed into an even smaller niche of uber difficulty for the sake of it.
Ok, the "let's make it an option" stance would seem like the easy way out, and in some regards I agree but it would seem like a lot of work to implement, when all it requires is for some folks here to adjust there technique - a challenge, sure, but that's what keeps us on our toes and keeps us playing the game. Pushing you out of your comfort zone and providing you with an impetus to improve and adapt to new problems.

Geez it took me 4 or 5 goes to test and then adjust my technique sufficiently to hit ships regularly. Read back through the posts El, you'll see plenty of people able to manage this 'impossible' task.

But then I suspect you aren't reading the posts. Cos you seem to keep repeating the same old line without having addressed any other posters - unless they agreed with you; naturally.....
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Old 12-27-2010, 05:45 PM
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I vote moar xxxx in the cockpit. I'm sick of those xxxless pin-ups.

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