DT Nightfighter request

[bf-110]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

- even when you know the details its difficult to tell what you are ALLOWED to say without getting the thread locked/post-deleted on some forums

If that was on China,people would call it censorship.

[Blackdog_kt]

Hahaha, so true.

I'm not very familiar with legalities, especially when it comes to US law, but i'm surprised all the simulator fans and scale modellers haven't taken up one of those class action lawsuits or something similar.

The thing here is that these machines were built with the people's money and manual labour under contract from the government which is supposed to serve these people, so as long as they have been phased out of active service one could argue that they are part of history and public domain.

I'm not holding my breath on a positive resolution, but it would be cool to see some movement. Chalk this one up there with the rest of the causes i might take up as an eccentric billionaire, if i ever won the lottery that is

[Fergal69]

Further to bf-110's post with videos, the ME262 was produced as a night fighter.

The radar installed in the ME262 looks too modern to be accurate thought - I may be wrong as not seen inside one.

I for one am looking forward to the hopeful release of the bf110 nightfighter.

[skyfox]

It was not my intention to drudge up the NG issue. I just saw a while back that some in flight radar options were being looked at for a future patch. And I guess in my mind I was looking at the F6F5N not as a new aircraft addition, but more as an additional armament or loadout option for the F6F5.
In reality the F6F5 we have and the F6F5N are the same aircraft if you take away the radar pod.

Anyway, I understand if legalities would prohibit its development, and I certainly would not want it to cause problems for Team DT and the work they are doing, but I felt there was no harm in asking.

Regards,
Skyfox
Virtual VFN-91

[csThor]

The radar pod would mean new 3d model and therefor we'd be in (very) hot waters with "the Grumman thingy". Not going to happen. Sorry.

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by csThor

The radar pod would mean new 3d model and therefor we'd be in (very) hot waters with "the Grumman thingy". Not going to happen. Sorry.

Just curious, are changes to the existing Grumman aircraft in the sim permitted, I.e FM tweaks, or bug fixes? Not that I have found any, but just want to know whether these aircraft are "supported" as far as the future of Il2 is concerned with 4.10.

[major_setback]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Actually i can't guess, that's why i'm asking
Maybe i didn't make myself completely clear, so i'll try to explain a bit more.

1st scenario: Do the Grumman royalties refer to products we pay for? As in, if a developer makes a 3d model and "sells" it (in an expansion or other paid-for product), the developer's profits legally "justify" Grumman's royalty fees?

I don't think it is a case of royalties. They are not the issue. They own the rights to the likeness of their aircraft. They don't want anyone to use their property. They don't listen to any arguments by modeller's because there is no financial (corporate) need for them to do so (relative to the size of the company).

Having said that, what is the incentive for them to aid a foreign company at a potential cost to domestic ones (Little Soft ware brothers etc.)

I have never heard any talk of fees.

[Codex]

I for one would LOVE the UHU to be included

[Romanator21]

And I found something interesting,althought NOT OFFICIAL about radars.Hope TD watch this video.Can anyone confirm if those stuff are historically correct

The plane is accurate, the panel is accurate - the instrument itself, not so much.

Radar was a lot more primitive back then. See the Bf-110 video to get an idea. The one in the Me-262 also shows the image you would get from a rotating beacon, not a fixed set of "whiskers".

[Tempest123]

Originally Posted by Codex

I for one would LOVE the UHU to be included

Yeah that would be cool but it was rare. You can't have a nightfighters in the sim without the Mosquito NF, probably the most feared one of all. As I see it there is so much involved in the putting NF in Il2, but even if it only works online I would love it.

-The AI as it is now can see perfectly in the dark, which negates most of the point of nightfighters. The "new dark" from DT should help with human vs human though.
-Lack of british bombers, and effects like exhaust glow and aircraft mounted searchlights.
-The various radars, jammers and other systems unique to each aircraft, and the need for 2 crew to operate the thing, or at least an intelligent AI copilot.