Bangladesh 1971 Air Combat Simulator request to Oleg

[zakkandrachoff]

Bangladesh 1971 Air Combat Simulator request to Oleg



I am requesting a 1971 Bangladesh air combat simulator. This will can be the best simulator ever made. jet fighters of the middle cold war fighting each other. Air-to-Air combats whit missiles, cannons and rockets . Naval Battles and tanks Battles like Kursk (okey, not so bigs)

India Air Force:

*MiG-21FL missile K-13 (AA-2) (poor copy of the American Sidewinders) or R-60 (AA-8 Aphid),
*Sukhoi Su-7BMKs (missile K-13???)
*HF-24 Marut (ex-Pulqui III) (whit matra magic R.530??)
*Hunter F.Mk.56s
*Hawker Siddeley Gnat F.Mk.1 " Ajeet"
*Mystere IVA
*Hawker Sea Hawk in the carrier aircraft INS Vikrant
*Canberra B (I).58s

Pakistan Air Force:
*F-104 Starfighter (AIM-9B Sidewinder missile)
*Mirage-IIIs (missile Matra R550 Magic & Matra R.530)
*Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19P Chinese copy) AIM-9 Sidewinder missile
*F-86 Sabre Mk.6s (version F whit AIM-9B Sidewinders)
*Martin B-57B Canberras Night Bombers
*Lockheed T-33As (training plane)

this could be a nice air combat simulator.
some images;
Indian MIG-21



Indian SU-7
[IMG]www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_su-7bmk_b911.jpg[/IMG]

Indian HF-24 Marut


Indian Hunter F.Mk.56s



Indian Gnat


Indian Mystere IVA


Indian Hawker Sea Hawk in the carrier aircraft INS Vikrant

Indian Canberra B (I).58s


Pakistani F-104 Starfighter


Pakistani Mirage-III


Pakistani Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19P)


Pakistani F-86 Sabre


Pakistani Martin B-57B Canberras Night Bombers


My only hope is that Oleg read this and promise that in some future he goanna work in this and not in some Vietnam, Israely or crappy modern airwar simulator.

[zakkandrachoff]

This are some paints(sorry, not photos, this is not like vietnam or gulf war)





















































lbuchele SimHQ Member Said: "Great post zakk.
Classic jets,early missiles (you have to know how to fire them in the right envelope and pray for hit something)
I´m sure that WW2 combat fans will like to fight in fifties or sixties jets.
Those was still pure fighters relying in brute force from it´s jet engines and guns for the most of it´s kills.
Modern jet combat is not for me because BVR missiles kill (maybe not the early AIM-7) the fun and modern heat-seekers can do a kill no matter the skills of the pilots who fire them."

Tarnsman SimHQ Member Said: "Alot of WW2 jocks from all sides continued to fight into the 1960s ( in their 20s in WW2 and their 40s in the Cold War). Im totaly on board with Oleg bringing his vision to this era."


Oleg, THIS is the really FORGOTTEN BATTLES

[zakkandrachoff]

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[drafting]

Wow, that is very interesting! I didn't really know anything at all about the conflict till you just posted this, so regardless of whether you convince anyone to make a game, thanks for the history lesson!

edit. ...and that'd be a very unique plane setup!

[Romanator21]

Probably not for a few years at least. After BoB will be Korea, and Oleg has hinted at some other "forgotten" WWII theaters. If Oleg and Ilya split after BoB is done, then there is a tiny chance of seeing it after Korea.

[AndyJWest]

From Wikipedia
Bangladesh Liberation War:

The Indian Air Force carried out several sorties against Pakistan, and within a week, IAF aircraft dominated the skies of East Pakistan. It achieved near-total air supremacy by the end of the first week as the entire Pakistani air contingent in the east, PAF No.14 Squadron, was grounded due to Indian airstrikes

A horrific conflict, but not of any great significance in terms of air warfare. Hardly a priority for air combat simulations I'd have thought.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Unecessary, if you ask me. And judging by the planeset, a "Strike Fighters 2: Wings Over Bangladesh" is more likely.

[Lonely Ringer]

I agree with Andy... sadly ... a whole week eh ? You cannot be serious..

[airmalik]

As someone that lived through that conflict, I'd love to see this but you have no idea what you'd be getting into Luft/spit whining would pale in comparison to the reaction you'd get from natives of both countries complaining about favoring one side or the other.

There's hardly an unbiased source of information about any of the conflicts between the two countries. Even wikipedia articles read like propaganda pieces.

The 1971 conflict would be interesting with the preemptive strikes by the PAF but more interesting would be the 1964 conflict which was fought on the west front and produced exciting events like the (disputed) 5 Hawker Hunter kills by a PAF pilot in under a minute:

Great reading even if it might partially be fictional

http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/september/alam.htm

Alam had lost sight of the other Hunters, but with ample fuel he was prepared to fly some distance to catch up with them. Soon after crossing the Chenab River, his wingman Akhtar called out, “Contact, Hunters one o’clock.” They were flying at 100-200 feet and around 480 knots. As Alam closed into gunfire range, the Hunters did a half-hearted defensive turn which did nothing to spoil his aim; rather, it set them up in line astern for easy shooting in a row. Alam fired at the last Hunter against the glow of the rising sun and saw fuel spew out of the drop tanks, which had taken hits from the Sabre’s six guns. In a hurry to score fast, Alam shifted his aim ahead onto the next aircraft and fired another short burst. The Hunters seemed to fly across Alam’s gunsight like a gaggle of geese, and he obliged repeatedly, four times in all.

This conflict, like the later 1971 one, was very short lived with epic tank and air battles. I think the shortness of the conflict might actually make for a good sim scenario. Both sides were limited by resources but more so the smaller country of Pakistan and a proper campaign engine with resource mgmt would make this quite interesting.

Some air combat stats (again, disputed) about the 1971 conflict:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_...a_Pakistan_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakista...a-Pakistan_War

During the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 the PAF was out-numbered 5:1 against the Indian Air Force and, initially, both sides claimed to have downed around 100 aircraft of the opposition during the 23 day war. The PAF fleet at the time consisted of 12 F-104 Starfighters, some 120 F-86 Sabres and around 20 B-57 Canberra bombers.[8] The Indian claim of 100 PAF aircraft downed was proven to be highly exaggerated when 86 F-86 Sabres, 10 F-104 Starfighters and 20 B-57 Canberra bombers were flown in a parade after the war.

The best reason, however, for a sim based on this conflict might be the opportunity to dogfight in the Himalayas! I don't think current technology would do that landscape justice though.

[airmalik]

Some pictures of Sabres and Hunters I took last year at Oshkosh:











More pics from Oshkosh 2009 including some awesome shots of polished Mustangs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/malik/s...7623421425070/