Small Ground Targets

Armchairpilot · #1 10-16-2009, 08:27 PM

Am I the only one who thinks that the ground targets in this game seem too small? Normally I would just write it off as "That's just the way it actually looks like", but after playing Battlefield 1943 I have to think that tanks and trains and artillery are way too small.

In Battlefield, I can actually spot soldiers on the ground and shoot them in Corsair, let alone tanks. I know it's not suppose to be a sim game but everything in has to be a pretty accurate size, seeing how you can become a soldier and run up next to a tank or a plane.

It's just a little disappointing to be shooting at black specks on the ground that are suppose to be tanks in IL-2, while in 1943 I can clearly see that I'm shooting at a tank, or even a solder.

Tudorp15 · #2 10-16-2009, 08:45 PM

I am thinking maybe the other games, the targets are too big, and that is what you got used to?

If you were in a real plane, 200 or more feet off the ground, moving at 200mph, you can not see much either as small as a 6 foot tall or smaller soldier. Even a vehicle at 200 + feet up is hard to spot, so, IL-2 is more accurate. being a pilot in those days, with not much for electronic assistance, it really did take vary sharp senses, and an eagle eye for sure.

In SIM battles, I have a hard time seeing a flea sized speck in the air, especially trying to see if it is friend or foe, but, in the air, at several hundred yards, maybe a mile or so away, that is exactly how they would appear... It is irritating to me sometimes, but, I appreciate the fact that it is more "real"...

Ancient Seraph · #3 10-16-2009, 08:57 PM

Tudorp may be right, but it's a fact not all scales are correct. Just fly below rooftop level, you'll see the houses are way too small. It's possible ground objects and air objects have non-corresponding scales.

Ghillied raptor · #4 10-17-2009, 05:21 AM

I was playing the russian campaign not too long ago.I had to bomb some german tanks.For the life of me I couldn't find the german tanks, this led to some frantic bomb/missile spamming and kamikaze runs.I know that wasn't very professional but I was getting desprate.

Armchairpilot · #5 10-18-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tudorp15

I am thinking maybe the other games, the targets are too big, and that is what you got used to?

If you were in a real plane, 200 or more feet off the ground, moving at 200mph, you can not see much either as small as a 6 foot tall or smaller soldier. Even a vehicle at 200 + feet up is hard to spot, so, IL-2 is more accurate. being a pilot in those days, with not much for electronic assistance, it really did take vary sharp senses, and an eagle eye for sure.

In SIM battles, I have a hard time seeing a flea sized speck in the air, especially trying to see if it is friend or foe, but, in the air, at several hundred yards, maybe a mile or so away, that is exactly how they would appear... It is irritating to me sometimes, but, I appreciate the fact that it is more "real"...

That's what I would've thought, too, if I hadn't played BF:1942. And you could be right, they may be fibbing the sizes. But in that game you can actually walk around as a soldier on the ground and everything looks fine, and I don't think that the scales change when you get in the plane.

Other airplane's sizes seem perfect, though. It's just everything on the ground from tanks to buildings don't seem right to me. It feels more like I'm flying over a scale model train set rather than a real town.

It's certainly not a deal breaker. I love the game. But I just wanted to bring it to the developer's attention if more people felt this way, too. If no one else does, then I'll just assume that it's all in my head.

Lexandro · #6 10-18-2009, 06:30 PM

The scale in BF games is perfect, the whole series has the best scaling of any title. As for BoP its obvious the landscape is at a totally different scale to the aircraft. You can tell this easily as said above by the buildings being tiny, and if you play a map with roads you can see how small the really are. The roads in BoP are barely big enough for a planes wheels to touch down on.

So the OP is correct.

Draupnir2 · #7 10-19-2009, 07:35 AM

You are right guys, the houses etc. are off-scale.

I landed an managed to tax into a town before the misson ended. One side of a house was more or less equal to the winfspan of the 109. The houses in between dollhouses and real houses, but definately too small.

I would not say it destroys the immersion, but it makes hitting ground targets challenging.

Doktorwzzerd · #8 10-19-2009, 03:06 PM

Hmmm, I've gotten to be pretty good at finding the targets but it does seem way too hard. I think you guys are right about the scale, I haven't really investigated it, but it definitely feels like objects on the ground are waaay too small. Like ships for instance, they are tiny compared to how big they should actually be. Unfortunately thats something that can't be patched but hopefully in the sequel it will be fixed. I hope the devs take note of this thread.

Also compare landing on a carrier in BF:1943 and bombing a capital ship in BoP, the BF:1943 carriers are definitely smaller than real life carriers, but they are huge compared to any ships in BoP. Its definitely weird, I wonder why the devs did it?

Skoll · #9 10-19-2009, 11:52 PM

I landed an Il-2 next to a Panther tank. The Panther definitly feels too small . BUT the Il-2M is more than 50% longer than the tank is real life (6.87 m vs 11.6 m). I intuitively imgined the plane too be smaller compared to the tank. I've seen neither in real life. For camparison click on the image.

Benrizz · #10 10-20-2009, 08:08 AM

That's a nice pic. Definitely scale is not correct.

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look at the wooden bridge in the port of Dover. You can easily land a bomber. It is far too big. Even the wooden barriers of that bridge are as high as a 5 floors building
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Maybe the big airport in Dover takes most of the peninsula because it has a correct scale with planes in comparaison with the rest of the landscape. Just look at it from 7000 m high. That's impressive.