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Old 10-06-2009, 06:59 PM
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Brilliant Lucas,I wonder if Tipo man will be back in the thread? Perhaps not lol
Now I also know what to do when a fughter is on a head on with my SM79!
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:11 PM
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Well, thanks mate.

Unfortunately YouTube decided to cut the soundtrack (and, together with it, the engine and bullet sounds...) I never got this issue with the videos anyway... Is my flight simulation video so important to them to cause the complete removal of the sounds?

Try to imagine it: Ride of the Valkyries starts right after the title, and when it ends, Eye of the Tiger starts.

EDIT: Maybe I'll try uploading it on Vimeo. As far as I know, they aren't that irritating about STs as YouTube is.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:46 PM
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Unfortunately YouTube decided to cut the soundtrack
Hello Lucas,follow the instructions in this video:



YouTube is known of this issue quite well already,because most of the time the sound is cutted this way not by the YouTube staff,but a program.
After you're done with doing everything as shown in this video,your video's sound will be back.

PS:Good tutorial on attacking the SM.79.
PPS:The method shown in this video is 100% legal,if anyone is concerned.

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Old 10-06-2009, 09:15 PM
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If you can get that top gunner, that bird is toast, easy meat on the table. I spent a bunch of time as a top gunner in the SM.79 against I-16 5 and 6 and there were plenty of times they shot down my bomber or others in my flight. Sometimes they go down fast too, not always slowly by crippling engines and wings. Sure, it's touger to down than many bombers but it ain't impossilble like you ( topic starter ) say it is.
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Old 10-06-2009, 09:32 PM
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Thanks for the link, Bulgarian. But unfortunately, it's not back yet. Is this instantaneous? Maybe it's because my YouTube is in portuguese instead of english, so I added, before the brief explanation, that "the following text is written in english"... Anyway, I hope it gets solved soon.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:49 PM
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Sometimes it is instantaneous,sometimes it isn't.Maybe depends on the YouTube server load.

Anyway,mission accomplished-Sound is back in your video.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:49 PM
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it's touger to down than many bombers
Can you qualify that?
The TB3, Ju88 andHe111 are just as hard/easy to down as the SM.79 with .303s for me.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:23 AM
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Well, looks like you had a hard time guys, don't you?

Lucas, would you post your TRACKS please? There is something... strange.

So here it is, the impervious pilot of the SM.79.
As you see, shooting from the dorsal machine gun of a He-111 from a point black range has no effect on the pilot...





I knew the italians are tough guys.... but still....

Also could somebody explain me what exactly stops the bullets here from killing the gunner and the pilots?



Hmmm.. some thin wood stops a MG bullet?!
Hey Lucas, will you stay behind such a shield, if I shoot at you with a machine gun...

And here is a cutaway drawing of SM.79.



No 52, 53, 139 are fuel tanks...
What actually protects them from getting exploded?
As you see, I put quite an amount of bullets into them...

And Lucas, do your test with I-16, or something with 2-4 MGs, as I wrote... You have a whole day to make attempts. I'm sure till midnight you'll come with another smashing video. But this time, with tracks, please

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Old 10-07-2009, 06:32 AM
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And Lucas, do your test with I-16, or something with 2-4 MGs, as I wrote...
SM.79 has fame of "invulnerability" during Civil War in Spain, this is hitorically correct.

"The first recorded interception of a SM.79 formation took place on 11 October 1937 when three aircraft were attacked by 12 Polikarpov I-16s (known as the ''Rata'' (Rat) to the Spanish Nationalists). One of SM.79s was damaged by repeated attacks made by the slightly faster ''Ratas'', but its defences prevented the attackers from pressing close-in attacks. All the bombers returned to base, although one had been hit by 27 bullets, many hitting the fuel tanks. A few other examples of similar interceptions occurred in this conflict, without any SM.79s being lost.
Combat experiences revealed some deficiencies in the SM.79: the lack of oxygen at high altitudes, instability, vibrations experienced at speeds over 400 km/h and other problems were encountered and sometimes solved. Gen. Valle, in an attempt to answer some of the criticisms about the ability of the aircraft to operate at night (because its wingload and other characteristics were controversial) took off from Guidonia and bombed Barcelona, a journey of six hours and 15 minutes. On this occasion the aircraft proved it had a useful range (around 1,000 km with eight 100 kg bombs, for a total gross weight of around 1,000 kg). Normally SM.79s operated from the Balearic Islands and later from mainland Spain. Hundreds of missions were performed in a wide range of different roles against Republican targets. No Fiat CR.32s were needed to escort the SM.79s, partly because the biplane fighters were too slow."

Persue SM.79 with I-16 5-6 or 10 (not in game) is non-sense

http://tripatlas.com/Savoia-Marchetti_SM.79
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Old 10-07-2009, 08:10 AM
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Wow 27 hits and still alive! So this amount was considered significant even by its pilots!
I think the one I've posted had suffered several times more...
Maybe 27 are the hits only in the fuel tank...

Nice information, thanks for sharing it.
But...

I'm still waiting for an explanation what exactly makes SM.79 impervious to light MG fire, compared to other bombers of the era:
SB
DB-3
Blenheim
He-111

They all share common feature, like unprotected fuel tanks, except He-111 ( in the wing root).
No pilot armour.
There is nothing to stop a bullet, if it doesn't hit a spar.
And these bombers do burn and get shot down...

In fact during BoB Germany lost most of its bombers to the "obsolete" light MG's of british fighter. And He-111 and especially Ju-88 were more advanced and well protected aircrafts than SM.79.
They both have self-sealing fuel tanks for example...

I'm still waiting for the tracks from xxx_from_Hell.
It is quite interesting for me how one can kill the pilot from dead 6, since I can't do it even with a .50 cal bullet. Oh, in fact I can, just a simple change in the appropriate place is needed
And cutting the wing with a short burst... Very interesting...
Could the rest of you do it ?

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