The Crystal Ball

[zapatista]

[QUOTE=ingsoc84;366651]

Originally Posted by klem

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Seriously I think this translates into "this is going to be a lot more complex and time consuming than we expected....so dont call us..we will call you"....safe to say..shelve the game for 6 months..and revisit the issue...if anyone REALLY thought they were going to optomize and redo the entire graphics engine in a month..or even two..they been smoking something funny. If they couldn't with ALL that time get it right the first time..what leads one (us) to believe a new polished engine was going to suddenly appear in no time... ? Were it that simple..it would have been done right the first time...so. seriously to all those people who are complaining "please make the stuka radiators open faster" and "ohhh I cant seem to turn my gun turret at the correct speed" I think those issues are a long time off from being dealt with..first thing is get the game running well enough for those of us whose systems..LIKE MINE...are way above what is required OR recommended for the game. I didnt pay 50 dollars to buy a game that would play beautifully on a machine I have to spend 5k for or that is 5 years from being graphically available. Trusted IL to deliver a good product like their other wares....but ignored my gut which said "read the forums and see what people are saying"....which I need to do in the future.. before I pay 50 for a game that is now selling for 12 and requires me to update my 570 geforce that should run the game FINE and spend 600-800 for ANOTHER card with more ram to get decent FPS? That's just nonsense. Take a look at my pc specs below and tell me "where I went wrong" in building this rig? HAD the game said 'requires a minimum of 2gigs of vram' then at least I could have planned accordingly..however the specs set on the box and advertising for this game were just a fantasy..I've got more than enough processing/ram/video power that this game should run WELL on HIGH settings..yet..it doesn't..Im tired of ranting.but Im also tired of developers pushing half finished products out the door which they charge full price for and know that it still requires "major work" and they will fix it up down the road after the cash has rolled in..and the fact that some guy has gotten quad sli or some such silly thing to run the game well is also ridiculous...how many decent graphics card does one need to have this sim work properly?
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slight error there, but it undermines most of the basis of your argument. other then a couple of very brief sales from some retailers (see the dedicated thread), CoD still sells at full price in most countries. or you got a url for a bargain bin international sale where it is at 10 $ ? (if you do, i'll buy it now )

i did read the forums before buying it, and hence....... still havnt bought it ! my system is similar to yours (weak point being the 1 gb vram card), and having read the forums since its original release, and there STILL are still to many problems to expect a working product "out of the box". i simply dont have weeks of time to waste and try to twiddle with the fiddly bits to get it running wel enough to the point i can actually enjoy it. its almost there now, but not quite yet. having high hopes for the next patch if they rework the gfx engine as planned to get a decent boost in looks and speed. if all goes according to luthiers intentions, Santa might bring me some CoD (pun intended)

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Chivas

GET OVER IT...the development ran out of money and released an unfinished product, with the full intention of finishing and providing another ten years of new theaters.

Yes the developers could have let everyone know it requires a Cray computer to run it and its not as finished as we'd hoped. BUT there is a big problem with that......NO ONE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT....atleast not enough to sustain the development.

The developer hasn't taken the money and run, they are still working overtime to finish it for us and themselves.

This is a very small genre and there is NOBODY else doing complex WW2 aircombat sims. The developer is made up combat flight sim enthusiasts, like us, that deserve alittle slack.

Its only a few dollars of investment with the possiblility of years of entertainment, from a development group with a history of providing quality products. They ran out of money and we've picked up the slack with a tiny investment that could get them thru the finishing of the game engine until the sale of their next addon.

thats way to much balanced reasoning and common sense for this flightsim forum's usual crowd of spotty faced whiners of the "me wants it now, cause me wants it" generation. i demand you start ranting and raving with a few choice expletives thrown in so you can speak to them in their own language !

on a lighter note, there are already some good indications of the what our ugly little duckling is gradually turning into, if they get a few of the most current problems fixed (FM, AI, gfx engine performance). we could soon be back to some serious flightsim goodness to be enjoyed over many coming years.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Yes Chivas, but they havent admitted that have they? .

your confusing oleg's BoB with the expected behavior from your local therapist who is there to massage your fragile ego on a weekly basis and help you manage all the perceived insults you experience while traveling through a meaningless life that contributes nothing to the well being of mankind or your own eternal salvation.

in case you really did fail to comprehend Chivas's point: for whatever multitude of reasons, we ended up with the choice of either no BoB/CoD flightsim, or the release of an unfinished beta product that will eventually develop into a fully fledged ww2 flightsim (containing many of the components and elements many of us have dreamed over for the last 10 years)

for most long tern ww2 flightsimmers, the choice between those 2 options was simple, no matter how frustrating it is/was to still have to wait longer.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

Yes Chivas, but they havent admitted that have they? Also the fact that you are still frantically defending them in general is sad.

Actually Luthier did admit the problems, and yes, I do defend them with some common sense, to offset some the opinions of the doom and gloomers. We need to attract simmers to the genre not drive them away.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Isn't he the same guy running under name IvanK?

[klem]

[QUOTE=Ali Fish;366994
Thank you good sir. thank you. its not the only area thats at fault though. however theres tom dick and harry that disagree and see nothing wrong. Tom is the developer, Harry is the 1C forum moderators and Dick is the fanboy that sees nothing wrong. but well said sir. my wavelength. ETHICS ![/QUOTE]

Ali, there's little anyone can say against insoc84's and some others' basic arguments but lets just clarify the 'fanboy' issue because it gets very tedious.

No-one on these forums is saying there is nothing wrong and that the game is complete and fantastic.

Some of us are saying that what we see and can run looks good, is playable, is enjoyable, is already an improvement on IL-2 (in some opinions) and will be great once its been re-built (because that's what's going on). We say that because that's the way we find it. We know some people can't run it and that there are major problems but we believe they will be fixed in time.

If that is a definition of fanboy I have no problem being called one and yes I have been a fan of Maddox Games for about ten years now. But if fanboy is supposed to describe someone who blindly pours adulation on CoD and thinks there's nothing wrong with it then I can't remember any posts that would fall into that category.

Some people can't get over the fact that the game was released before it was ready, can't accept the current situation and that CoD needs to be re-built in some major areas.

Someone experiencing CoD for the first time has every right to post a complaint or two but, looking in the opposite direction to 'fanboy', what has gone way beyond tedious are the guys that keep repeating the same old arguments as if their only purpose in life is to undermine CoD because they have spent $50, can't accept the situation, can't let go and want to see CoD 'punished'.

You might wonder why those people hang around the forum if they think so little of CoD and its future.

[Caveman]

Originally Posted by klem

Ali, there's little anyone can say against insoc84's and some others' basic arguments but lets just clarify the 'fanboy' issue because it gets very tedious.

No-one on these forums is saying there is nothing wrong and that the game is complete and fantastic.

Some of us are saying that what we see and can run looks good, is playable, is enjoyable, is already an improvement on IL-2 (in some opinions) and will be great once its been re-built (because that's what's going on). We say that because that's the way we find it. We know some people can't run it and that there are major problems but we believe they will be fixed in time.

If that is a definition of fanboy I have no problem being called one and yes I have been a fan of Maddox Games for about ten years now. But if fanboy is supposed to describe someone who blindly pours adulation on CoD and thinks there's nothing wrong with it then I can't remember any posts that would fall into that category.

Some people can't get over the fact that the game was released before it was ready, can't accept the current situation and that CoD needs to be re-built in some major areas.

Someone experiencing CoD for the first time has every right to post a complaint or two but, looking in the opposite direction to 'fanboy', what has gone way beyond tedious are the guys that keep repeating the same old arguments as if their only purpose in life is to undermine CoD because they have spent $50, can't accept the situation, can't let go and want to see CoD 'punished'.

You might wonder why those people hang around the forum if they think so little of CoD and its future.

Good post...

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by ingsoc84

I'm not suing anyone, first you need DAMAGES..what are my damages? 50 dollars? not worth my time effort nor any other attorneys, it just isn't. Sue a Russian company? I lived there..there is NO rule of law there, its as corrupt as it gets, and leads the world as "the most corrupt Country", last year surpassing Zimbawe for that honor.As to the "so what aspect"..it just means "we got hosed" and have to live with it...and next time..LOOK before I leap purchasing one of these games, means I won't purchase till at least 6 months after the date, and have fully read the forums to discern whining from real complaints. As a final thought, so what does not excuse bad conduct on behalf of the dev's/publisher, but then..as most of us over 30 know...NOTHING in life is fair

And again, I fully agree with you. My reply was intentionally a bit heretic Being far over 30 I remember those days when outstanding companies like MICROPOSE released games in nearly flawless condition. Do you remember this one ?

That's nearly 12 years ago and they released just one (1) patch of 457kb!

But nobody should believe that this is impossible today. Last week my nephew indicated that he would appreciate to get a copy of SKYRIM on Santa Claus. Due to my experience with Silent Hunter V and later on IL2 Cliffs of Dover I denied to buy a game released without a playable demo. Knowing that he is a little nag I decided to download Skyrim illegally and crack it first of all. I played around for about 1 hour with a system that was far below the minimum requiments provided by Bethesda. What should I say; it worked flawless, smooth with stunning graphics even with a 8800GTS and NO crashes.... Ten minutes later I ordered two copies from Amazon.

That's what I learned. Do I feel bad ? No way....

[JG52Uther]

Icebear I suggest you read the forum rules before you post again.

[Sven]

I just want to report in that with my 'medium' system I'm running Cliffs of Dover just fine, without any crashes or stutters and decent framerate ( ~ 30 - 35 or so )



My ingame settings are on normal/high. Everything from shadows,plane details damage ect. on high, but land detail is on normal.

I don't fly over london often as I'm a fighter but over the English coastal airfields and over the German fields in France my game is keeping up good. An increase in FPS is always welcome of course! But people claiming that this game is utterly broken can't be right.