Could 4.10 Update lock the SFS files again and reunite the online community?

[Flanker35M]

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Calling modders sh%theads SlipBall..Very slick, even immature. SoW with the certain aspects open for 3rd party additions..they are STILL mods. Like it or not. Mod is a commonly used word for content created by the players and not in a negative way. The start of them could have been better with IL-2 for sure, but nevertheless mods are here.

Maybe I do something wrong or even RTFM, because I have no problems joining mod servers. CRT=2 and Server Library makes it even easier as everyone have the same files and setup. Usually the server has a web page where they list mods used and in some cases in what order enabled via JSGME. How hard is it to take a moment and check it if in doubt?

4.1X will have features that sure interest me and will make me fly stock for a while. But stock does not have the new maps or their repaints, new effects and cockpits for example. Der Wüstenfuchs's Bf109 pits or C6_Claymore's Fw190 refreshes wipe the floor with stock ones, Freddy's new P47 or P51 pits..just to name a few...and they run just fine on my rig. I am not a masochist trying to run IL-2 on a jurassic computer, even today's laptops are better than the minimum specs There are other games too than IL-2 that require a helluva lot more horsepower to run..figure the rest.

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

[SNIP]Der Wüstenfuchs's Bf109 pits or C6_Claymore's Fw190 refreshes wipe the floor with stock ones, Freddy's new P47 or P51 pits ...[SNAP]

... and while doing so exceed official limits so far that they can't even see them as a dot on the horizon anymore. Yeah, and a DB 605 would just do fine in that SLK, wouldn't it?

Bottom line: That particular genie has been out of its bottle for years now and there's no way to put him back inside.

[zaelu]

My opinion is that people that cry now about mods are people that tomorrow will not play SoW BoB cause it will be a too much change for them.

You know... like people that played CS 1 and then "by the guts" felt CS 2 wasn't good. It's "the change" and necessity to adapt to it that puts people off... the rest is just "the justification"... Having mods that does indeed bring few problems is an excellent "scapegoat".

If you play online and you are "annoyed" by cheaters and abusers then is a good sign you play in the wrong room.

Is my belief that most of the whining about mods people play in "easy" dogfights servers surrounded by immature players. I didn't had experienced any "annoying" abusers on virtual wars or established great realistic servers. I'm sure there are "cheaters/abusers" even there but far less cause the "goal" of the game is not "quick 5 minutes runs to the furball" that attract the normal cheat clients.

these are my 2 cets... that probably no one asked for but are for free .

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by zaelu

My opinion is that people that cry now about mods are people that tomorrow will not play SoW BoB cause it will be a too much change for them.

You know... like people that played CS 1 and then "by the guts" felt CS 2 wasn't good. It's "the change" and necessity to adapt to it that puts people off... the rest is just "the justification"... Having mods that does indeed bring few problems is an excellent "scapegoat".

If you play online and you are "annoyed" by cheaters and abusers then is a good sign you play in the wrong room.

Is my belief that most of the whining about mods people play in "easy" dogfights servers surrounded by immature players. I didn't had experienced any "annoying" abusers on virtual wars or established great realistic servers. I'm sure there are "cheaters/abusers" even there but far less cause the "goal" of the game is not "quick 5 minutes runs to the furball" that attract the normal cheat clients.

these are my 2 cets... that probably no one asked for but are for free .

+1 fot that. The "mods" unlock what was supposed to be locked, that isn't "nice", but some of the final achievements made by the modding community are marvelous, and improved a LOT the gameplay.

Don't recognize that is live in dark. In 2010 I can't fly in a sim witout 6DOF, an need to have widescreen support without a lot of my "up/down" view taken away.

I never undestand why those two points are isn't some "official" patch, but are in the "MODs". The "official" patch adds new cool contentes, but don't change these two really "patch issues"...

Strange!

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

While I agree that SOW will be the true re-unifier, There are many of us who are eagerly awaiting 4.10, as it will have many "mod" features that are indeed a very good thing, yet it will end all this UP(blue) vs. HSFX(red) nonsense, not to mention other incompatibilities (two different versions for Zuti 1.13 that do not work with one another on CRT=2 servers, for example) and let those of us who choose to, stop dealing with all the switchers, tools, files, and other assorted hindrances to what is supposed to be a fun pastime. Not the second job it has become, just to get online.

The number of former online players sitting it out because of this crazy mash up of different mods, versions, etc, is far greater than the total mod fanbois think it is.

Be sure.

I think this is more where I was looking at my thread going. That was exactly the point I was hoping for. I do love the Modifications (as I previously said) and I do know that they have been beneficial to 4.10.
I was thinking along the lines of their being a unified online 4.10 (even if that only includes a 6DoF option and MDS).

Could there not be some 4.10 Server edition that means rather than CRT=2 (anyone with any mod can join), the Server can set CRT=1 and it only activates Mods that are present on the users system that are compatible with the Server.

Basically if you don't have the 6DoF Mod, the Server doesn't kick you, you can still join, it just isn't activated? If you have Mods that the server doesn't allow, they aren't activated but they can be in your Mods folder without kicking you from the Server?

Thoughts on that?

Cheers, MP

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by zaelu

My opinion is that people that cry now about mods are people that tomorrow will not play SoW BoB cause it will be a too much change for them.

The most absurd statement ever IMO. It has nothing to do with crying about it. It is just that we can't be bothered any more. In the beginning when we had only one pack it was easy. Hell, flying heavies was loads of fun, but it didn't last very long. Nowadays where every server has different requirements I just can't be bothered. The mere fact we now have a 'red' and 'blue' packs is enough to turn me down.

Those of us that flew before and after mods appeared know the difference. I would gladly trade a encyclopedia of planes where every server has different requirements for a stock game with only 2 flyable planes. Any day of the week.

The bottom line is - mods are great for offline game play, but kill the online uniformity. I long for the times when you could join any givens server with only one version of the game.

For me, IL2's AI is too dumb to play it in offline mode, especially once you start dueling with human opponents. There is no going back.

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The number of former online players sitting it out because of this crazy mash up of different mods, versions, etc, is far greater than the total mod fanbois think it is.

Be sure.

Amen.


=> Enter SoW.

[csThor]

Once again: DT will not roll out the carpet for Mods. We do not fight them, either, but don't expect DT to code solutions for the modding users. They aren't our target audience.

LoBiSoMeM

6DOF isn't in any official patch because that would mean redoing all cockpits in-game to allow for this. Yes - every single freaking cockpit would have to be redone since DT either does things right according to specs or not at all. And since DT doesn't have the resources (or if it had I doubt we'd want to spend them on this issue) I do not see a realistic chance for that one in an official Il-2 patch.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

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Calling modders sh%theads SlipBall..Very slick, even immature. .

I was referring to the pimple faced hackers who cracked the code in the first place.

[Flanker35M]

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csThor, my bottom line is that people should understand we live in 2010 now, soon 2011. Who the hell plays with a crappy computer like that on the IL-2 box? Do people really think the minimum specs on the box means the same that they can use MAXIMUM settings with that rig described there? Hello, anybody home..reality check!

Minimum means most things stripped, no fancy candydandy effects etc. NOT Perfect water on 4 etc. or whatever IL-2 has + no 32x FSAA or 16X AF. And at a resolution of way less than 1920x1200 what I use, for example, . As I have mentioned even a today's medicore not so expensive computer runs IL-2 damn well. So anyone with a crap computer complaining about performance their rig is not even realistically capable of should go play browser games or save up for an uprade..or is saving money something today's people are incapable of?

MP..it is easy to be the purist stock guy, just have an installation of pristine 4.09m then copy the folder and apply mods to that one. Far easier because I have chosen the servers I play on and they use practically the same set = not much to fiddle with

And who buys a SLK, the last true DB engines were made ages ago I prefer BMW anyway.

EDIT: SlipBall, got it

[Viikate]

Minimum settings means that the cockpit uses EXACTLY same amount of textures and video memory as the perfect settings. There is no LODs or low res textures for pits like there is for pretty much everything else.

Putting some overkill pit repaint of 200Mb to official patch means that everyone is stuck with that. After this move we would see mods which would restore the original light weight textures, since not everyone can upgrade their PCs every six months.