ok... who switched my B-17's armour for papier maché?

[FOZ_1983]

Japanese markings to....

[dazz1971]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

nice idea apart from the fact that AGAIN one team shouldnt have something because the other team doesnt have the SAME... also last time i checked you could fly any nationality plane, so if one team has a B17, and the othe team cares, THEY can take a B-17.

and if u are playing one team allies one team axis (which would be cool) that is why the axis get the Arado, the 262, and the 163. 4 jet aircraft to the allies 0 jet aircraft (oh theres also the He-16something)

so the axis get interceptors and a JET BOMBER, and the allies get the B-17. but all of that doesnt matter when ANYONE can fly ANYTHING. so balancing again does NOT count as a valid reason to RUIN a perfectly good plane.

nothing personal House but the second you select an arado the other team screams NO jets !!! and its usually the guys flying the b17 this was the point i was trying to get over in another thread if a team is going to use a b17 that has been beefed up to take more damage then other piolts should be allowed to use jet bomber i mean if they did up the damage on a b17 it would be game over for the other team before the game even started i mean if it could take masses of damage drop the biggist payload in the game that would make for a pretty uneven game imho

this is why i dont play strike much and in my honest opioion i dont think b17s should b in strike i think they should find another game type to use them in the war b17s fly in huge formations and basicly carpet bombed a town factory complex etc i think it would be better if there was a coop mission where you all fly b17s together in formation and have ai fighters and good flak to play against ...just a thought i remember a game for my old pc b17 flying fortress used to love playing that with me mates so dont think im bashing the b17 its one of my fav ww2 planes

on a side note house have you seen SALLY B ?? i saw her at coventry airshow few years ago awsome sight

[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by dazz1971

nothing personal House but the second you select an arado the other team screams NO jets !!! and its usually the guys flying the b17 this was the point i was trying to get over in another thread if a team is going to use a b17 that has been beefed up to take more damage then other piolts should be allowed to use jet bomber i mean if they did up the damage on a b17 it would be game over for the other team before the game even started i mean if it could take masses of damage drop the biggist payload in the game that would make for a pretty uneven game imho

this is why i dont play strike much and in my honest opioion i dont think b17s should b in strike i think they should find another game type to use them in the war b17s fly in huge formations and basicly carpet bombed a town factory complex etc i think it would be better if there was a coop mission where you all fly b17s together in formation and have ai fighters and good flak to play against ...just a thought i remember a game for my old pc b17 flying fortress used to love playing that with me mates so dont think im bashing the b17 its one of my fav ww2 planes

on a side note house have you seen SALLY B ?? i saw her at coventry airshow few years ago awsome sight

but the Arado can be bested by a good pilot, Jets arent the be all and end all, i dont understand why they moan, but frankly they can screw off, i pick the plane i want for the mission I want, and if someone else doesnt like it they can either shut up or leave, i paid £40 for this game and spent my time unlocking planes, so ill use whatever the hell I want, either get better at killing that particular plane, or change the setting to pre-1944 etc. etc.


I used to have that game to it was AWESOME if not a little buggy,

and yeah I saw Sally B at Duxford a few years back, so quiet as it came in for a landing. truly majestic.

[dazz1971]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

but the Arado can be bested by a good pilot, Jets arent the be all and end all, i dont understand why they moan, but frankly they can screw off, i pick the plane i want for the mission I want, and if someone else doesnt like it they can either shut up or leave, i paid £40 for this game and spent my time unlocking planes, so ill use whatever the hell I want, either get better at killing that particular plane, or change the setting to pre-1944 etc. etc.

my thinking too screw em im gonna start using the arado more i meant at the end of the day i payed for it ill use it

[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by dazz1971

my thinking too screw em im gonna start using the arado more i meant at the end of the day i payed for it ill use it

damn right, the developers put them in there to use, its like noob tubers on FPSs, ive never done it, but i dont have a problem with others doing it, i see it as a challenge. (standing still helps cus everyone runs for it)

[FOZ_1983]

**** using a jet!!!!!

if i wanted to fly around in a jet bombing things and using high speed then i'd stick to playing OVER-G fighters.

I enjoy WW2 flying games, the whole idea of dogfighting or escort/intercept makes it so much more fun knowing its the man not the machine.

I for one hate people using jets in this game, but i dont hold it against them. As you say, we've all paid our hard earned cash so we have the right to use whatever plane we want

Seems a little unfair though that the arado is SO EASY to unlock, just complete a single missions secnario (battle of bulge?) which can be done in 15 mins. Yet the B17 takes 50 games of strike, which you must win using a bomber!! taking a hell of a long time.

Yes the B17 carries more bombs and does more damage, but the arado flies faster and can bomb a target quicker and with more frequency.

[beaker126]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Yes the B17 carries more bombs and does more damage, but the arado flies faster and can bomb a target quicker and with more frequency.

Actually the thing turns like a pig in molasses, I find it takes awhile to turn back to my target. I can get more bombs on the ground in shorter time using any thing else. It may just be me, but I found it to be quite a let down. On another note, Is that for sure picture of B-17 in Japenese paint? The ventral turret looks a little weird, almost like the "dustbin" on the bottom of an He-111. Also, it looks like a very early model, it doesn't even have the MGs mounted in the side of the nose for the navigator and bombardier. Not trying to nit pick, it just looks odd.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by beaker126

Actually the thing turns like a pig in molasses, I find it takes awhile to turn back to my target. I can get more bombs on the ground in shorter time using any thing else. It may just be me, but I found it to be quite a let down. On another note, Is that for sure picture of B-17 in Japenese paint? The ventral turret looks a little weird, almost like the "dustbin" on the bottom of an He-111. Also, it looks like a very early model, it doesn't even have the MGs mounted in the side of the nose for the navigator and bombardier. Not trying to nit pick, it just looks odd.

Its way quicker than anything else at dropping bombs. Maybe you are concentrating on destroying one target too much or flying too low. If you drop on multiple targets you will be out of bombs on just one or two passes and then crash into the last target in the row

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by beaker126

Actually the thing turns like a pig in molasses, I find it takes awhile to turn back to my target. I can get more bombs on the ground in shorter time using any thing else. It may just be me, but I found it to be quite a let down. On another note, Is that for sure picture of B-17 in Japenese paint? The ventral turret looks a little weird, almost like the "dustbin" on the bottom of an He-111. Also, it looks like a very early model, it doesn't even have the MGs mounted in the side of the nose for the navigator and bombardier. Not trying to nit pick, it just looks odd.

One of the very earlies i believe, if you look closer then you will notice the tail fin is shaped like the early model and also the lack of a rear gunner position. Not sure where it was captured.

[House MD 221B]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

One of the very earlies i believe, if you look closer then you will notice the tail fin is shaped like the early model and also the lack of a rear gunner position. Not sure where it was captured.

yes it is a YB-17



note the ball turret "dust bin" and the tear drop waist turrets as well as the distinctive ugly tail fin

The design competition for a 'Multi-engined' bomber starting in 1934 ( at the time, 'Multi-engined' meant a twin, but Boeing thought differently ). Roll out ceremony of the Boeing 299 was 17th July 1935, with the first flight 28th. The prototype was destroyed in a take off crash during the Army competition resulting in the B-18 Bolo winning the contract. The crash was caused by the aircrew failing to remove the flying control gust locks. As a result, the B-17 became the first aircraft to have a pre-flight check list.

However, the army had been sufficiently impressed with the design and ordered 13 in service prototypes which became known as the YB-17 entering service in 1937. This put the B-17 in operation while the RAF was flying Whitleys, Wellingtons and Hampdens!!!

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