SOW: your thoughts on clickable cockpits and realistic start-up

[Chiz]

Hi all,

I had a couple of questions about SOW, namely options of clickable cockpits and a full start-up routine. I know Oleg has posted indicating that he will not be implementing either in SOW (not sure if the option will be there for 3rd party mods).

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Why don't know?... some 5-6 years ago I was asking on the forums... and real pilots...
Voting of hardcore players - 1 per 100-120...
Voting of pilots - want all, but only for one time test of interest. Then will switch it off...

Also... I remeber some developers of other sims were on the way to make start up complex... Where their sims? Even with not precise start up for each aircraft modelled they were bankrupt... and the projects and companies were closed sold , etc...
I won't such situation with me. I want the long life of the new series and to get commercial success... or for what I'm so hard working?

For the MS FS fans third party developers we will offer in time many things... So we will probably grab their attention very well... Experience of MS FS is good sample, and at the same time with MS CFS - bad sample...
So we will have our own way that to get attention of both alternative-opposite groups of users, creators, etc...

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

Joystick is a _must be_ device for the flight sim. In all other cases with the other devices the FM must be simplified and it will be in BoB for the possibility to play with gamepad for example. Except special flight sim devices like bomber control column wheels, etc... But it is another story...

Notice: However if you are playing with gamepade or other similar device and then connect the online server where all other plays with the joystics (settings on the server) then you automatically will get the switch to normal FM... and possibly will be not able to play with others on the same level of aircraft control, like with at least Joystick.

my personal opinion as well as all pilots that I know and was asking specially for this item, all tell that clickable cockpit by the mouse is Ok for the the civil aircraft (say such funtctions like levers, wheels, etc), but anyway it isn't even comparable to the real life precise of hand movement... Say, pedals also clickable?
Mapping on the device or even keyboard is more close to real life than to make all things clickbale/moveable by the mouse. Especially in military aircraft....
Some reealtive sample: I would be glad to see how some will be control aircraft by the joyistick and then by the mouse simultaniosly clicking on the fire button on the control column in 3D cockpit. This sample I give only as realtive. But it is easy to understand in comparison...

I've been playing DCS: Black Shark a lot lately and I think the implementation of both clickable cockpits and a realistic start-up procedure in that sim are excellent and prove that it can be done successfully. I realise that WWII era aircraft are a great deal simpler than modern aircraft, however I think some cockpit elements (magnetos, fuel tank selectors etc.) could be implemented as being clickable (as well as having key bindings) and would make the sim more immersive. As for complex start-up, I know that it may not be suitable for online play, however I think it would really enhance the sim for those of us who mainly fly offline. There can always be a simple, one-key start-up or option to spawn with the engine running for those who want it.

What do you guys think? Should SOW implement clickable cockpits and realistic start-ups?

Cheers

[96th_Nightshifter]

If they had the time to implement it then that would be great for the people that would wish to use it but IMO it is not required (note that is just my opinion).

Having flown in reality the thought of using a a mouse and pointing and clicking on something to make it work is rather unrealistic.
Surely physically pressing a button on a keyboard or joystick is more realistic than fiddling around pointing at something with a mouse and clicking?

[KG26_Alpha]

Not for me thanks

Nothing realistic about "clickpits" at all.

On the question of complex/full/realistic (however you want to term this) start up procedure, surely this will have to extend to the aircraft's performance from cruise to combat also, at present ALL aircraft simply roll/dive/bank from full cruise to combat, a lot of aircraft required fuel balancing trim adjustments and other engine fuel mixture adjustment before simply yanking the stick and diving at your enemy.
Landing procedures should also be made "realistic" instead of the point and slap it in approach I've seen and done .

If you are going to do "realistic" do it all the way through.............

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cue the clickpit brigade

[flyingbullseye]

Its a decent idea but how many would actually use it and how much more time spent developing it will the clickable cockpits add to the over due sim?

Flyingbullseye

[LEXX]

Black Shark has only one cockpit right?

Chiz::

What do you guys think?

At the top of this thread, there are two long quotes explaining this. Read them and you will figure it out.

[Talisman]

I am not interested in using mouse for clickable cockpit. I think Oleg has the right approach.

Happy landings,

Talisman

[CrazySchmidt]

I think clicking controls with the mouse on the screen is less realistic that using a keyboard for the same affect.

End of the day, none of it is too realistic is it?

CS.

[usagold2004]

having flown real planes, i promise, the start up is not the highlight of the flight. the only thing that makes start up interesting is the fact that you are watching your gagues for any sign of engine malfunction. unless these malfunctions are present, the start up sequence is merely an un rewarding and time consuming process. Supposing they did implement malfunctions in startup, you would simply be forced to restart your mission with an airplane that would crank up. The only reason we have "complex" start up sequences in real life is because things break exactly when you dont want them to.

Clickable cockpits are good for some functions, but i would not want every item in the cockpit clickable. When you fly a plane, much like driving a car, you dont always look at what button you are pushing. You do so much of it by feel that its hard to express how important it is to know your cockpit literally blindfolded. that doesnt mean that you never take a quick glance to ensure that you have achieved the desired effect of whatever switch you are manipulating though! but you dont look AT the turn signal when you switch it in your car do you? to have clickable buttons in such a simple (relatively) airplane means that you would have to have it displayed on your coputer screen (since you cant do it by feel) and that you would have to focus on clicking that switch. The reality is that this is LESS realistic than having it mapped to a button on your controller or keyboard.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by usagold2004

having flown real planes, i promise, the start up is not the highlight of the flight. the only thing that makes start up interesting is the fact that you are watching your gagues for any sign of engine malfunction. unless these malfunctions are present, the start up sequence is merely an un rewarding and time consuming process. Supposing they did implement malfunctions in startup, you would simply be forced to restart your mission with an airplane that would crank up. The only reason we have "complex" start up sequences in real life is because things break exactly when you dont want them to.

Clickable cockpits are good for some functions, but i would not want every item in the cockpit clickable. When you fly a plane, much like driving a car, you dont always look at what button you are pushing. You do so much of it by feel that its hard to express how important it is to know your cockpit literally blindfolded. that doesnt mean that you never take a quick glance to ensure that you have achieved the desired effect of whatever switch you are manipulating though! but you dont look AT the turn signal when you switch it in your car do you? to have clickable buttons in such a simple (relatively) airplane means that you would have to have it displayed on your coputer screen (since you cant do it by feel) and that you would have to focus on clicking that switch. The reality is that this is LESS realistic than having it mapped to a button on your controller or keyboard.

For me starting the engine was alway's a highlight...but I very much enjoy engine's, the sound's, the feel, and the respect deserved of a well designed combustion engine. I can see why others can't be bothered with such matters, but I would totally enjoy the experience each time. I think that we are talking a switch here, so no one would have to use the feature. And yes, I'm not a big mouse fan either, but would enjoy function bind to key. I would go even further, with temperature affecting start up

[tagTaken2]

Originally Posted by usagold2004

having flown real planes, i promise, the start up is not the highlight of the flight. the only thing that makes start up interesting is the fact that you are watching your gagues for any sign of engine malfunction. unless these malfunctions are present, the start up sequence is merely an un rewarding and time consuming process. Supposing they did implement malfunctions in startup, you would simply be forced to restart your mission with an airplane that would crank up. The only reason we have "complex" start up sequences in real life is because things break exactly when you dont want them to.

Clickable cockpits are good for some functions, but i would not want every item in the cockpit clickable. When you fly a plane, much like driving a car, you dont always look at what button you are pushing. You do so much of it by feel that its hard to express how important it is to know your cockpit literally blindfolded. that doesnt mean that you never take a quick glance to ensure that you have achieved the desired effect of whatever switch you are manipulating though! but you dont look AT the turn signal when you switch it in your car do you? to have clickable buttons in such a simple (relatively) airplane means that you would have to have it displayed on your coputer screen (since you cant do it by feel) and that you would have to focus on clicking that switch. The reality is that this is LESS realistic than having it mapped to a button on your controller or keyboard.

+1

Well put too.