I hate the wrong data in Il2 strmovik 1946

[SturmKreator]

I hate the erroneus data....... Why oleg put the performances so balanced avoiding the reality? Why they do that, your game is good, but with such data, not worth purchase the game, that is one of the reasons, because I regret having bought, what if I had bought real data, yesterday we played with some friends, one of They were in bf109 g2 and I in a fw190-D9, fighting to 6000 meters, the bf109 g2 was clearly faster than my fw 190 d9. Why it happens?, if you wonder if it was in a server with mods this is false, as well as tested with a TA and the same thing happened. be will avalaible some patch for correct that?, My English suck I know.

[IceFire]

Others may disagree with me but this game is not balanced. There are definitely mistakes in information here and there but its not balanced so that all planes fly the same or all sides have an even fight.

You have to realize that IL-2 is many things:
1) The most realistic WWII flight combat simulator yet
2) Has the most number of flyable WWII aircraft in one product yet (officially - not counting CFS2/3 mods)
3) Has the most realistic attempt at doing proper flight modeling as well as correct modeling of physics for things like bullet ballistics, explosions, etc.

And given all of these things IL-2 succeeds EXTREMELY well. It is extremely good. It is, however, not perfect and has many flaws.

But people have to realize that because IL-2 does things properly like modeling engine power and real flight physics that its not as simple as saying that a Bf109 at 5000 meters flies at X top speed. Somewhere in behind the flight model they are doing things like air density versus engine power and all of those smaller details. Its a much more realistic and fluid experience but it sometimes means that the data doesn't match 100% with test data.

I'm all for making things more correct but its never going to be 100%.

Also the pilot flying the plane makes a big difference in how fast one is. There may be problems but a Bf109G-2 cannot fly as fast as a FW190D-9 at maximum speed at a medium altitude. Someone was doing something wrong there. Not trimming or operating the engine properly. Remember that the pilot is one of the biggest equations in how a plane flies.

Try participating in air racing. Everyone flies the same plane yet some will fly faster than others...the game is modeled so well that proper piloting will get you better performance.

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Others may disagree with me but this game is not balanced. There are definitely mistakes in information here and there but its not balanced so that all planes fly the same or all sides have an even fight.

You have to realize that IL-2 is many things:
1) The most realistic WWII flight combat simulator yet
2) Has the most number of flyable WWII aircraft in one product yet (officially - not counting CFS2/3 mods)
3) Has the most realistic attempt at doing proper flight modeling as well as correct modeling of physics for things like bullet ballistics, explosions, etc.

And given all of these things IL-2 succeeds EXTREMELY well. It is extremely good. It is, however, not perfect and has many flaws.

But people have to realize that because IL-2 does things properly like modeling engine power and real flight physics that its not as simple as saying that a Bf109 at 5000 meters flies at X top speed. Somewhere in behind the flight model they are doing things like air density versus engine power and all of those smaller details. Its a much more realistic and fluid experience but it sometimes means that the data doesn't match 100% with test data.

I'm all for making things more correct but its never going to be 100%.

Also the pilot flying the plane makes a big difference in how fast one is. There may be problems but a Bf109G-2 cannot fly as fast as a FW190D-9 at maximum speed at a medium altitude. Someone was doing something wrong there. Not trimming or operating the engine properly. Remember that the pilot is one of the biggest equations in how a plane flies.

Try participating in air racing. Everyone flies the same plane yet some will fly faster than others...the game is modeled so well that proper piloting will get you better performance.

ok, think what you want this to be true, I've been playing this game and I realized that if the planes are balanced, the Fw190 is the best airplane and put it well below its actual performance, the best accelerated fw190 The mustang under the 6000 meters and this does not happen in the game

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

ok, think what you want this to be true, I've been playing this game and I realized that if the planes are balanced, the Fw190 is the best airplane and put it well below its actual performance, the best accelerated fw190 The mustang under the 6000 meters and this does not happen in the game

I'm not really quite sure what your saying. The FW190 or the Mustang under 6000 meters what?

I consider the FW190 to be amongst the best of the planes in the game. Certainly in the online world the FW190 is the top scorer on many servers...especially in the Kills to Deaths range. If it were very badly modeled obviously it wouldn't be doing so well. It is not an easy plane to fly effectively...its actually quite easy to fly technically but in combat only the experienced will do well.

If you want help on FW190 tactics I suggest asking as many will be willing to help. If the FW190 is your favourite and want to talk to other enthusiasts of the plane I also suggest going here: The Focke Wulf Consortium: http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com...=viewforum&f=8

They gather data, flight performance, and other items related and not related to IL-2. I think you'll find after staring at the data that it is not nearly as badly modeled as it sounds like you think.

[flyingbullseye]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

I've been playing this game

This is in no way an attack on you but exactly how long have you been playing this sim? You sound as if you just started, again not an attack but many people that just start have similar complaints.

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

if the planes are balanced, the Fw190 is the best airplane

I hope I am reading this correct but even if everything that you are saying is true its still a pretty general statement. Under what conditions, alt, speed, tactics used ect ect? As IceFire as said in his first post this sim is not perfect and no one will acknowledge that but by and large it's still pretty accuacte give or take.

Flyingbullseye

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by flyingbullseye

This is in no way an attack on you but exactly how long have you been playing this sim? You sound as if you just started, again not an attack but many people that just start have similar complaints.



I hope I am reading this correct but even if everything that you are saying is true its still a pretty general statement. Under what conditions, alt, speed, tactics used ect ect? As IceFire as said in his first post this sim is not perfect and no one will acknowledge that but by and large it's still pretty accuacte give or take.

Flyingbullseye

Im flying this game for 3 years, and i know all about that sim, tactics, in especial at mi focke wulf 190, the advantage on this plane are not considerated in the game like aceleration, climbing (the FW190 A6 climbs like a spitfire IX, Fw190 A8 climbs better tha mustang and thuntherbolt, FW190d9 1945 climbs like a spitfire XIV, this is a historical factor), in the game this is not represented

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

Im flying this game for 3 years, and i know all about that sim, tactics, in especial at mi focke wulf 190, the advantage on this plane are not considerated in the game like aceleration, climbing (the FW190 A6 climbs like a spitfire IX, Fw190 A8 climbs better tha mustang and thuntherbolt, FW190d9 1945 climbs like a spitfire XIV, this is a historical factor), in the game this is not represented

And the charts and information proving that for instance the FW190D-9 climbs with a Spitfire XIV are where?

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

Fw190 A8 climbs better tha mustang and thuntherbolt, , this is a historical factor), in the game this is not represented

I'm fairly certain that in the game the P51 and the P47 have their historical rather mediocre initial rates of climb modeled pretty accurately.

Seems to me you are making the basic mistake of equating your getting owned online by these types to incorrect modeling of whatever you are flying, rather than being honest about the fact that you are a poor judge of your opponent's energy state.

But I've only been playing the sim for seven years, what do I know?

[mazex]

IceFire +1 and thumbs up etc...

[MOH_Hirth]

Yes, this is the MUST FIX fix in 4.09m, this must be a Oficial standart, the FM is very acurate but can find litle detail to fix, in engine performace yes, have wrong data but this is a easy work to 1C, Why they dont sell this? I am tired wait, pls 1C sell this patch, this wait is a torture.